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From Liu Da Li <wawal...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Windows 8 Compatibility?
Date Thu, 05 Jul 2012 08:18:25 GMT
>From the windows certification toolkit test result, we find that  there is
a section named"Single user registry check"
It said:

  Warning: The single user registry test detected the following errors:
        Registry key
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\{51071D66-D034-4239-94E0-723FCA10B6FE}]
was modified during installation.
        Registry key
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\{51071D66-D034-4239-94E0-723FCA10B6FE}]
AuthorizedCDFPrefix=String: was modified during installation.

   Registry key
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\{51071D66-D034-4239-94E0-723FCA10B6FE}]
VersionMinor=DWord:4 was modified during installation.
        Registry key
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\{51071D66-D034-4239-94E0-723FCA10B6FE}]
WindowsInstaller=DWord:1 was modified during installation.
    Impact if not fixed: The application is available to all users of
the machine.
    How to fix: In a Per user installation, should not create or
modify machine wide registry entries (HKLM).





2012/6/28 Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org>

> On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 4:02 AM, Liu Da Li <wawalovo@gmail.com> wrote:
> > For issue 2.
> >>>  - Issue 2. Test for "Section 4 Apps must adhere to system restart
> >> >   manager messages" is failed. Bugzilla ID 119947 link:
> >> > <https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119947>
> > It seems that we handle these system restart manager messages in a right
> > way.
> > Anyone can have a double check on this?
>
> This would be good to test.  A good test case would be to have a new
> document, or a document with unsaved changes in it.   If we get the
> system restart message, what do we do?  Windows guidelines are that we
> shut down within 30 seconds.  So we can't popup a "Do you want to
> save?" dialog indefinitely.
>
> The scenario Microsoft is thinking of is something like this:  A user
> leaves their machine on at work, and then goes on vacation.  A big
> security problem is found in Windows and a virus is spreading all over
> the world.  Microsoft has a fix that they push out to all machines via
> their update mechanism.  But they cannot apply it on this machine
> because they need to force a reboot.  But applications are refusing to
> shut down cleanly.  That's the scenario we should consider.
>
> I wonder if this should use the existing document restore mechanism
> that OpenOffice has to recover from a crash?
>
> -Rob
>
>
>
> > Here is the codes in main\vcl\win\source\window\salframe.cxx.
> >
> > ......
> > LRESULT CALLBACK SalFrameWndProc( HWND hWnd, UINT nMsg, WPARAM wParam,
> > LPARAM lParam, int& rDef )
> > {
> > ......
> >  case WM_QUERYENDSESSION:
> >                        if( !bInQueryEnd )
> >                        {
> >                                // handle queryendsession only once
> >                                bInQueryEnd = TRUE;
> >                                nRet = !ImplHandleShutDownMsg( hWnd );
> >                                rDef = FALSE;
> >
> >                                // Issue #16314#: ImplHandleShutDownMsg
> causes a PostMessage in
> > case of allowing shutdown.
> >                                // This posted message was never
> processed and cause Windows XP to
> > hang after log off
> >                                // if there are multiple sessions and the
> current session wasn't
> > the first one started.
> >                                // So if shutdown is allowed we assume
> that a post message was
> > done and retrieve all
> >                                // messages in the message queue and
> dispatch them before we
> > return control to the system.
> >
> >                                if ( nRet )
> >                                {
> >                                        MSG     msg;
> >
> >                                        while( PeekMessage( &msg, NULL,
> 0, 0, PM_REMOVE ) )
> >                                        {
> >                                                DispatchMessage( &msg );
> >                                        }
> >                                }
> >                        }
> >                        else
> >                        {
> >                                ImplSalYieldMutexAcquireWithWait();
> >                                ImplSalYieldMutexRelease();
> >                                rDef = TRUE;
> >                        }
> >            break;
> >
> >                case WM_ENDSESSION:
> >                        if( !wParam )
> >                                bInQueryEnd = FALSE; // no shutdown:
> allow query again
> >                        nRet = FALSE;
> >                        rDef = FALSE;
> >                        break;
> > ......
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2012/6/15 Huaidong Qiu <qiuhuaidong@gmail.com>
> >
> >> About the fonts AOO installed into the system font directory, I did some
> >> verification on Windwos XP.
> >>
> >> 1. AOO archive package packs those font inside the package, you can find
> >> them here Basis\share\fonts\truetype.
> >>
> >> 2. Install AOO, then remove one of the fonts AOO
> >> installed, Arimo-Bold.ttf, Arimo-BoldItalic.ttf, Arimo-Italic.ttf,
> >> Arimo-Regular.ttf,
> >> from the system font directory. Open installed AOO, the font name
> >> disappears from the font list of AOO.
> >>
> >> 3.Copy  directory Basis\share\fonts\truetype from archive package to the
> >> install directory. Open installed AOO, the font name come back.
> >>
> >> So I think we can pack the needed fonts into  the installer package
> >> as archive package did. Then we can safely remove those fonts from the
> >> install directory without affect other applications.
> >>
> >> Any ideas?
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Lin Yuan <yuanlin.ibm@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > About issue5 that support multiple user sessions,  as tested by Yan Ji
> >> on a
> >> > Windows 2008 server. When allow one user to remote log in with
> multiple
> >> > sessions, AOO 3.4 is not stable and will crash after some operations.
> >> >
> >> > To support multiple sessions for one user, I thinkonly  rearchitect
> >> single
> >> > IPC to TS session managment is not enough. If allow multiple AOO
> >> instances
> >> > can be run isolated for one user, the data in user directory must be
> >> > synchronized correctly for those AOO instances as they all share the
> same
> >> > user directory. The data may inlucde extensions, .xcu and other
> >> > configuration files. So I think the simplest way to be able to
> >> cetifiacted
> >> > with Windows 8 in this section is do below thing mentioned in
> >> Certification
> >> > requirements for Windows 8
> >> >
> >> > "If an app does not support multiple user sessions or remote access,
> it
> >> > must clearly state this when launched from this kind of session"
> >> >
> >> > That is, when AOO launched, check if there is another AOO instance in
> a
> >> > different TS session but for the same user. If does, popup a warning
> >> dialog
> >> > and exit.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 2012/6/12 Liu Da Li <wawalovo@gmail.com>
> >> >
> >> > > I have create five items on Bugzilla to track these issue.
> >> > >
> >> > >   - Issue 1. Test for "Section 3 Apps support Windows security
> >> features"
> >> > >   is failed.Bugzilla ID 119946 link:
> >> > > [4]<https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119946>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >   - Issue 2. Test for "Section 4 Apps must adhere to system restart
> >> > >   manager messages" is failed. Bugzilla ID 119947 link:
> >> > > [5]<https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119947>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >   - Issue 3. Test for "Section 5 Apps must support a clean,
> reversible
> >> > >   installation" is failed. Bugzilla ID 119948 link:
> >> > > [6]<https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119948>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >   - Issue 4. Test for "Section 6 Apps must digitally sign files and
> >> > >   drivers" is failed.Bugzilla ID 119949 link:
> >> > > [7]<https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119949>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >   - Issue 5. Test for "Section 11 Apps must support multi-user
> >> sessions"
> >> > >   is not tested by Windows App Certification Kit.Bugzilla ID 119950
> >> link:
> >> > >   [8] <https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119950>
> >> > >
> >> > > Anyone please help to check them, confirm them and fix them.
> >> > >
> >> > > 2012/6/12 XiuLi Xu <susan.dongdong@gmail.com>
> >> > >
> >> > > > Hi All,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I upload the detailed test result and Windows 8 related links
in
> the
> >> > wiki
> >> > > > document, Windows App Certification Kit Test Results for Apache
> >> > > OpenOffice
> >> > > > 3.4<
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Windows_App_Certification_Kit_-_Test_Results_for_Apache_OpenOffice_3.4
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Liu Da Li <wawalovo@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > There are so many items in the Windows 8 certification list,
I
> try
> >> to
> >> > > go
> >> > > > > through it and find that there is maybe about 43 TODO items
for
> us
> >> to
> >> > > do
> >> > > > > the certification. Most of the TODO items  are just a
> verification
> >> > > jobs,
> >> > > > > but some code change jobs maybe are need to do for the sections
> >> > > 4.1,5.1,
> >> > > > > 9.1, 10.2,11.7.
> >> > > > > I have try to verify some items, the result be marked at
green.
> >> > > > > Herbert1 also go through the list, I put his result at the
end
> of
> >> > each
> >> > > > > section.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Items which maybe need to change some codes
> >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------
> >> > > > > 4.1 Your app must handle critical shutdowns appropriately
> >> > > > > In a critical shutdown, apps that return FALSE to
> >> WM_QUERYENDSESSION
> >> > > will
> >> > > > > be sent WM_ENDSESSION and closed, while those that time
out in
> >> > response
> >> > > > to
> >> > > > > WM_QUERYENDSESSION will be terminated. .
> >> > > > > 5.1 Your app must properly implement a clean, reversible
> >> installation
> >> > > > > If the installation fails, the app should be able to roll
it
> back
> >> and
> >> > > > > restore the machine to its previous state.
> >> > > > > 9.1 Your app must have a manifest that defines execution
levels
> and
> >> > > tells
> >> > > > > the operating system what privileges the app requires in
order
> to
> >> run
> >> > > > > The app manifest marking only applies to EXEs, not DLLs.
This is
> >> > > because
> >> > > > > UAC does not inspect DLLs during process creation. It is
also
> worth
> >> > > > noting
> >> > > > > that UAC rules do not apply to Windows Services. The manifest
> can
> >> be
> >> > > > either
> >> > > > > embedded or external.
> >> > > > > To create a manifest, create a file with the name
> >> > > <app_name>.exe.manifest
> >> > > > > and store it in the same directory as the EXE. Note that
any
> >> external
> >> > > > > manifest is ignored if the app has an internal manifest.
For
> >> example:
> >> > > > >  <requestedExecutionLevel level=""asInvoker | highestAvailable
|
> >> > > > > requireAdministrator"" uiAccess=""true|false""/>
> >> > > > > 10.2 Your app must avoid starting automatically on startup
> >> > > > > For example, your app should not set any of the following;
> >> > > > > Registry run keys HKLM and, or HKCU under
> >> > > > > Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion
> >> > > > > Registry run keys HKLM, and or HKCU under
> >> > > > > Software\Wow6432Node\Microsoft\windows\CurrentVersion
> >> > > > > Start Menu AllPrograms > STARTUP
> >> > > > > 11.7 Your app must check other terminal service (TS) sessions
> for
> >> > > > existing
> >> > > > > instances of the app
> >> > > > > Note: If an app does not support multiple user sessions
or
> remote
> >> > > access,
> >> > > > > it must clearly state this when launched from this kind
of
> session.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > > > > Full TODO items.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > 1. Apps are compatible and resilient
> >> > > > > 1.1 Your app must not take a dependency on Windows compatibility
> >> > modes,
> >> > > > > AppHelp message, and or any other compatibility fixes
> >> > > > > TODO 1.1 : Need verification , don't depend.
> >> > > > > 1.2 Your app must not take a dependency on the VB6 runtime
> >> > > > > TODO 1.2 : Need verification , don't depend.
> >> > > > > 1.3 Your app must not load arbitrary DLLs to intercept Win32
API
> >> > calls
> >> > > > > using HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Windows
> >> > > > > AppInit_dlls.
> >> > > > > TODO 1.3 : Need verification , don't load.
> >> > > > > Herbert1: Win8 Cert Section 1 : ok
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > 2. Apps must adhere to Windows Security Best Practices
> >> > > > > 2.1 Your app must use strong and appropriate ACLs to secure
> >> > executable
> >> > > > > files
> >> > > > > TODO 2.1 : Need verification
> >> > > > > 2.2 Your app must use strong and appropriate ACLs to secure
> >> > directories
> >> > > > > TODO 2.2 : Need verification
> >> > > > > 2.3 Your app must use strong and appropriate ACLs to secure
> >> registry
> >> > > keys
> >> > > > > TODO 2.3 : Need verification
> >> > > > > 2.4 Your app must use strong and appropriate ACLs to secure
> >> > directories
> >> > > > > that contain objects
> >> > > > > TODO 2.4 : Need verification
> >> > > > > 2.5 Your app must reduce non-administrator access to services
> that
> >> > are
> >> > > > > vulnerable to tampering
> >> > > > > TODO 2.5 : Need verification
> >> > > > > 2.6 Your app must prevent services with fast restarts from
> >> restarting
> >> > > > more
> >> > > > > than twice every 24 hours
> >> > > > > TODO 2.6 : Need verification
> >> > > > > Herbert1: Win8 Cert Section 2 : if the MSI based installer
does
> it
> >> it
> >> > > is
> >> > > > > fine,we are using nsis-2.46 for building the MSI package
but
> >> Windows
> >> > > > itself
> >> > > > > does the installation of the MSI packages
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > 3. Apps support Windows security features
> >> > > > > 3.1 Your app must not use AllowPartiallyTrustedCallersAttribute
> >> > (APTCA)
> >> > > > to
> >> > > > > ensure secure access to strong-named assemblies
> >> > > > > TODO 3.1 : Need verification,
> >> > > > > 3.2 Your app must be compiled using the /SafeSEH flag to
ensure
> >> safe
> >> > > > > exceptions handling
> >> > > > > TODO 3.2 : Need verification, we use it
> >> > > > > 3.3 Your app must be compiled using the /NXCOMPAT flag to
> prevent
> >> > data
> >> > > > > execution
> >> > > > > TODO 3.3 : Need verification, we use it
> >> > > > > 3.4 Your app must be compiled using the /DYNAMICBASE flag
for
> >> address
> >> > > > space
> >> > > > > layout randomization (ASLR)
> >> > > > > TODO 3.4 : Need verification, we use it
> >> > > > > 3.5 Your app must not Read/Write Shared PE Sections
> >> > > > > TODO 3.5 : Need verification,
> >> > > > > Herbert1: Win8 Cert Section 3 : we are running with SafeSEH,
> >> > NXCOMPAT,
> >> > > > > DYNAMICBASE, but the libraries we ship have to be modified
to
> use
> >> > these
> >> > > > > flags too,I'm almost certain that we don't use APTCA,I'm
not so
> >> sure
> >> > > > about
> >> > > > > the RW PW Sections, but I guess we do not have any.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > 4. Apps must adhere to system restart manager messages
> >> > > > > 4.1 Your app must handle critical shutdowns appropriately
> >> > > > > TODO 4.1 : Need verification,
> >> > > > > 4.2 A GUI app must return TRUE immediately in preparation
for a
> >> > restart
> >> > > > > TODO 4.2 : Need verification, we do
> >> > > > > 4.3 Your app must return 0 within 30 seconds and shut down
> >> > > > > TODO 4.3 : Need verification,we do
> >> > > > > Herbert1: Win8 Cert Section 4 : WM_QUERYENDSESSION needs
to be
> >> > > > > implemented,these new messages are currently ignored
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > 5. Apps must support a clean, reversible installation
> >> > > > > 5.1 Your app must properly implement a clean, reversible
> >> installation
> >> > > > > TODO 5.1 : Need verification,
> >> > > > > 5.2 Your app must never force the user to restart the computer
> >> > > > immediately
> >> > > > > TODO 5.2 : Need verification,we never
> >> > > > > 5.3 Your app must never be dependent on 8.3 short file names
> (SFN)
> >> > > > > TODO 5.3 : Need verification,we never
> >> > > > > 5.4 Your app must never block silent install/uninstall
> >> > > > > TODO 5.4 : Need verification,
> >> > > > > 5.5 Your app installer must create the correct registry
entries
> to
> >> > > allow
> >> > > > > successful detection and uninstalls
> >> > > > > TODO 5.5 : Need verification,
> >> > > > > Herbert1: Win8 Cert Section 5: making sure that the registry
> >> entries
> >> > > and
> >> > > > > files are restored is difficult
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > 6. Apps must digitally sign files and drivers
> >> > > > > 6.1 All executable files (.exe, .dll, .ocx, .sys, .cpl,
.drv,
> .scr)
> >> > > must
> >> > > > be
> >> > > > > signed with an Authenticode certificate
> >> > > > > TODO 6.1:Need to do digitally sign
> >> > > > > Herbert1: Win8 Cert Section 6: Having authentication credentials
> >> > would
> >> > > be
> >> > > > > good even if don't pursue Win8 shop certification
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > 7. Apps don’t block installation or app launch based on
an
> >> operating
> >> > > > system
> >> > > > > version check
> >> > > > > 7.1 Your app must not perform version checks for equality
> >> > > > > TODO 7.1 : Need verification,
> >> > > > > Herbert1: Win8 Cert Section 7: We are doing win-version
checks,
> but
> >> > I'm
> >> > > > > almost certain that it is not a check for equality. Needs
to be
> >> > checked
> >> > > > > though.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > 8. Apps don’t load services or drivers in safe mode
> >> > > > > TODO 8 : Need verification, we don't
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > 9. Apps must follow User Account Control guidelines
> >> > > > > 9.1 Your app must have a manifest that defines execution
levels
> and
> >> > > tells
> >> > > > > the operating system what privileges the app requires in
order
> to
> >> run
> >> > > > > TODO 9.1 : Need verification,
> >> > > > > 9.2 Your app’s main process must be run as a standard
user
> >> > (asInvoker).
> >> > > > > TODO 9.2 : Need verification,
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > 10. Apps must install to the correct folders by default
> >> > > > > 10.1 Your app must be installed in the Program Files folder
by
> >> > default
> >> > > > > TODO 10.1: Need verification,we do
> >> > > > > 10.2 Your app must avoid starting automatically on startup
> >> > > > > TODO 10.2: Need verification, the quick start is a issue
> >> > > > > 10.3 Your app data, which must be shared among users on
the
> >> computer,
> >> > > > > should be stored within ProgramData
> >> > > > > TODO 10.3: Need verification,we do
> >> > > > > 10.4 Your app’s data that is exclusive to a specific user
and
> that
> >> is
> >> > > not
> >> > > > > to be shared with other users of the computer, must be stored
in
> >> > > > > Users\<username>\AppData
> >> > > > > TODO 10.4: Need verification,we do
> >> > > > > 10.5 Your app must never write directly to the "Windows"
> directory
> >> > and
> >> > > or
> >> > > > > subdirectories
> >> > > > > TODO 10.5: Need verification,we never
> >> > > > > 10.6 Your app must write user data at first run and not
during
> the
> >> > > > > installation in “per-machine” installations
> >> > > > > TODO 10.6: Need verification,we do
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > 11. Apps must support multi-user sessions
> >> > > > > 11.1 Your app must ensure that when running in multiple
sessions
> >> > either
> >> > > > > locally or remotely, the normal functionality of the app
is not
> >> > > adversely
> >> > > > > affected
> >> > > > > TODO 11.1: Need verification,
> >> > > > > 11.2 Your app’s settings and data files must not persist
across
> >> users
> >> > > > > TODO 11.2: Need verification,
> >> > > > > 11.3 A user’s privacy and preferences must be isolated
to the
> >> user’s
> >> > > > > session
> >> > > > > TODO 11.3: Need verification,
> >> > > > > 11.4 Your app’s instances must be isolated from each other
> >> > > > > TODO 11.4: Need verification,
> >> > > > > 11.5 Apps that are installed for multiple users must store
data
> in
> >> > the
> >> > > > > correct folder(s) and registry locations
> >> > > > > Refer to the UAC requirements.
> >> > > > > TODO 11.5: Need verification,
> >> > > > > 11.6 User apps must be able to run in multiple user sessions
> (Fast
> >> > User
> >> > > > > Switching) for both local and remote access
> >> > > > > TODO 11.6: Need verification,
> >> > > > > 11.7 Your app must check other terminal service (TS) sessions
> for
> >> > > > existing
> >> > > > > instances of the app
> >> > > > > TODO 11.7: Need verification,
> >> > > > > Herbert1: Win8 Cert Section 11.7: we need to rearchitect
our
> IPC to
> >> > TS
> >> > > > > session management
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > 12. Apps must support x64 versions of Windows
> >> > > > > 12.1 Your app must natively support 64-bit or, at a minimum,
> 32-bit
> >> > > > > Windows-based apps must run seamlessly on 64-bit systems
to
> >> maintain
> >> > > > > compatibility with 64-bit versions of Windows
> >> > > > > TODO 12.1: Need verification, AOO can be run on 64-bit system
> >> > > > > 12.2 Your app and its installers must not contain any 16-bit
> code
> >> or
> >> > > rely
> >> > > > > on any 16-bit component
> >> > > > > TODO 12.2: Need verification,  AOO not contain 16-bit code
> >> > > > > 12.3 Your app’s setup must detect and install the proper
drivers
> >> and
> >> > > > > components for the 64-bit architecture
> >> > > > > TODO 12.3: Need verification,
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > 2012/6/7 Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org>
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > I installed the Windows 8 Tech Preview (32-bit) today
on a
> >> virtual
> >> > > > > > server.  After a few minutes to figure out the new
platform
> UI I
> >> > > > > > installed AOO 3.4.  Install went without problems and
it
> appears
> >> to
> >> > > > > > run fine.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Of course, there is more that we could do to be a
> well-integrated
> >> > > > > > Windows desktop application.  The best practices are
outlined
> >> here:
> >> > > > > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/windows/desktop/hh749939
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > A lot of this is goodness that would help users on
Windows 7
> and
> >> > > > > > earlier versions as well.  For example, the code signing
> reduces
> >> > the
> >> > > > > > risk of tampering or corrupt files.  It also reduces
false
> >> > complaints
> >> > > > > > by some anti-virus products.  The recommended compiler
options
> >> help
> >> > > > > > reduce the explotability of security vulnerabilities,
> especially
> >> of
> >> > > > > > the kind products run into reading binary file formats.
 More
> >> info
> >> > on
> >> > > > > > these options are here:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/vcblog/archive/2009/05/21/dynamicbase-and-nxcompat.aspx
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Did OpenOffice.org ever try for logo certification
from
> Microsoft
> >> > > > > > before?  If so, what was the experience?
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > I think it might be worth trying for this with AOO,
 It would
> >> takes
> >> > > > > > some work, but in the end we would have better platform
> >> > integration,
> >> > > > > > and a better user and admin experience.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > -Rob
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
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