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From Wolf Halton <wolf.hal...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Terms of Service on Forums
Date Wed, 04 Jul 2012 15:50:07 GMT
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
> <dennis.hamilton@acm.org> wrote:
> > @Rob,
> >
> > Yes, I am seeing what you are seeing.
> >
> > Concerning the ToU for the forums, it is the same as what was previously
> on the web site.  While there is a license grant for non-code and other
> places where no other license is applied, the license is also to "all
> Users".
> >
> > @Rob, @Drew, @Kay
> >
> > I created an issue that proposed a new terms of use that was consistent
> with the Oracle ones for ASF and would have not made this problem worse, as
> far as I can tell.  That was long ago and it went nowhere.  The JIRA issue
> is here: <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-104>.  Here's the
> connected issue on our Bugzilla: <
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118518>.  I came to our
> Bugzilla because LEGAL-104 can't have attachments.  The attachment on the
> Bugzilla provides a red-lined transformation of the Oracle ToU into one
> that could work for the forums, wikis, and web pages now under ASF
> custodianship.
> >
>
> OK.  I read that over.  IMHO it is still too much.   It is dressed up
> in chain mail armour, as befits a big corporation with the risk
> profile of a big corporation.  Large corporations are a magnet for
> petty lawsuits.   But the circumstances are different with the ASF.
> Our main concern is (or should be) clarity and helpfulness to the
> reader, not to protect our multi-billion dollar corporation.  I''d
> also entirely separate the outgoing license question.  This is not a
> ToU question.  That can be covered separate by a "license" link on the
> various websites, which might be simple in some case (incubator site
> is 100% ALv2) and less so on some legacy sites.
>
> So a minimal approach might look something like this, which could be
> applied across all of our websites:
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Consolidated Terms of Use for Apache OpenOffice Websites
>
> The Apache Software Foundation hosts several websites on behalf of the
> Apache OpenOffice project:
>
> -- under openoffice.org
>
> - under incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg
>
> - under cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS
>
> - under issues.apache.org/ooo/
>
> -- under blogs.apache.org/ooo/
>
> By your use of these websites you acknowledge that you have read these
> Terms and agree to them.
>
>
> 1. Privacy
>
>
> Information about your use of the websites is collected using server
> access logs and a tracking cookie. The collected information consists
> of the following:
>
>     The IP address from which you access the website;
>     The type of browser and operating system you use to access our site;
>     The date and time you access our site;
>     The pages you visit; and
>     The addresses of pages from where you followed a link to our site.
>
> Part of this information is gathered using a tracking cookie set by
> the Google Analytics service and handled by Google as described in
> their privacy policy . See your browser documentation for instructions
> on how to disable the cookie if you prefer not to share this data with
> Google.
>
> We use the gathered information to help us make our site more useful
> to visitors and to better understand how and when our site is used.
>
> Additionally, some of websites  have a user registration systems that
> queries you for information such as name, password and email address.
>  This information is collected, stored and used in order to provide
> you a unique login and to associate that login with your activity on
> the website.  We endeavour keep this information private, but it may
> be revealed to a competent authority under a lawful order.
>
> By using this website, you consent to the collection of this data in
> the manner and for the purpose described above.
>
>
> 2. User submitted content
>
> By submitting content to the website, you agree that this content may
> be hosted on the website, for the benefit of other website users.
> Additionally, you agree that your submissions may be edited, modified,
> translated, copied, within the website.  You warrant that you have
> sufficient rights to any content that you submit to the website
> necessary to grant the above license.
>
> If you wish to offer a broader license, to allow 3rd parties to reuse
> your content outside of this website, then you may do so, provided the
> license is compatible with the above requirements.  Apache License 2.0
> is especially recommended.   Please mark the license prominently in
> your contribution.
>
> 3. Exclusions
>
> The websites at extensions.openoffice.org and templates.openoffice.org
> are not operated by the Apache Software Foundation and are not covered
> by this Terms.
>
> 4. Changes to these Terms
>
> We may change these Terms from time to time.  When we make substantive
> changes we will also make an announcement on the ooo-announce mailing
> list.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> > It addresses some of the cases that Rob also mentions.  I stand by my
> analysis.  You might want to see how to carve out what you want from that,
> since it is at least a start and the places where further customization may
> be called for are all identified.
> >
> >  - Dennis
> >
> > Some months ago it was discussed with the ASF Board whether a privacy
> condition and safe-harbor setup was desired.  That apparently didn't get
> anywhere.
> >
> >
>

I like this kinder, gentler ToU, Rob.
Is it still a good contract that doesn't allow things we don't want to
allow?  If so, then we can just post it somewhere and point the ToU links
on all the sites at it. Right?

-Wolf

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