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From Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Google Analytics Calls [Was: Re: CSS debugging (ability to read Polish might help)]
Date Tue, 24 Jul 2012 21:36:08 GMT
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:

>
> On Jul 23, 2012, at 5:47 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Jul 22, 2012, at 10:08 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jul 22, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Kay Schenk wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net
> >
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hi Rob,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Are you ready to for Google Analytics on every page of ooo-site?
> If so,
> >>>>>> then the plan is below - which will finish a change that Ariel
> started.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Jul 21, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com
> >
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Dave Fisher <
> dave2wave@comcast.net>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Kay,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I continued these fixes through the rest of
the top level of
> the PL
> >>>>>> site.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> well good -- how industrious of you! :)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Rob - It looks like this has to do with bad
changes in the far
> past
> >>>>>> around
> >>>>>>>>>> google analytics.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I saw that Rob intended (and did remove some old
stuff) but I
> don't
> >>>>>> know if
> >>>>>>>>> that is what caused the problem.  I think it was
bad HTML syntax
> to
> >>>>>> begin
> >>>>>>>>> with that caused the automatic insertions (for the
content div
> tag) to
> >>>>>>>>> function incorrectly.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Right.  I've never seen this page look right.   You
can try
> removing
> >>>>>>>> the GA code, but nothing there touches CSS, and it comes
after
> both of
> >>>>>>>> the CSS imports, so I don't see how it could be the
issue here.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Question: Are you inserting google analytic
code into every
> header
> >>>>>> and is
> >>>>>>>>>> it always the same? If so, then the proper approach
would be to
> make
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>> part of the templates. Perhaps as part of the
footer template?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It is supposed to be the last item in the <head>.
 It wasn't clear
> >>>>>>>> whether this could be added via the template.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Here is part of ooo-site/templates/skeleton.html
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> {% if header %}
> >>>>>>> {% autoescape off %}{{ header }}{% endautoescape %}{% else
%}
> >>>>>>> <title>{% block title %}{{ headers.title }}{% endblock
%}</title>
> >>>>>>> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
> >>>>>>> {% if headers.css %}<link href="{{ headers.css }}" rel="stylesheet"
> >>>>>> type="text/css">{% endif %}
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> <script type="text/javascript">
> >>>>>>>  var _gaq = _gaq || [];
> >>>>>>>  _gaq.push(['_setAccount', 'UA-30193653-1']);
> >>>>>>>  _gaq.push(['_setDomainName', 'openoffice.org']);
> >>>>>>>  _gaq.push(['_trackPageview']);
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  (function() {
> >>>>>>>      var ga = document.createElement('script'); ga.type
=
> >>>>>> 'text/javascript'; ga.async = true;
> >>>>>>>      ga.src = ('https:' == document.location.protocol ?
'
> https://ssl'
> >>>>>> : 'http://www') + '.google-analytics.com/ga.js';
> >>>>>>>      var s = document.getElementsByTagName('script')[0];
> >>>>>> s.parentNode.insertBefore(ga, s);
> >>>>>>>  })();
> >>>>>>> </script>
> >>>>>>> {% endif %}
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Here header is null if the file is mdtext and not null otherwise.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If the {% endif %} is moved above the script then it will
always be
> >>>>>> added.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I would instead change this to:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> {% if header %}
> >>>>>>> {% autoescape off %}{{ header }}{% endautoescape %}{% else
%}
> >>>>>>> <title>{% block title %}{{ headers.title }}{% endblock
%}</title>
> >>>>>>> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
> >>>>>>> {% if headers.css %}<link href="{{ headers.css }}" rel="stylesheet"
> >>>>>> type="text/css">{% endif %}
> >>>>>>> {% endif %}
> >>>>>>> <!--#include virtual="/google_analytics.ssi" -->
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I like this approach better...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> And then put the google analytics code in:
> >>>>>> ooo-site/trunk/content/google_analytics.ssi
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It should be possible to work with MDText as well.  I added
it this
> >>>>>> way to the incubator site a while ago:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ooo/site/trunk/templates/skeleton.html
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The instructions from Google say to put it immediately before
the
> >>>>>> closing </head>.  We have additional complexity here,
since some
> HTML
> >>>>>> pages don't have a <head> and some do.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ???? OK, let's identify these pages and fix first.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> We have over 1000 pages with broken <head>'s.  The main issue is they
> >>> don't have a <title>, and having a <title> is mandatory in HTML.
> >>> Browsers don't treat it as a fatal error, but it does lead to
> >>> suboptimal treatment in search engines.  Aside from lacking an
> >>> important clue about the contents of the page, the search engine also
> >>> expects to use the title to display in the search results page.  It
> >>> also breaks things when user bookmarks page, sends to a friend in FB
> >>> or Google+, etc.  Generally a bad thing not to have a <title>.
> >>
> >> OK, not the same as no head. Let me think about this. There are two
> approaches.
> >>
> >> (1) Identify the pages and insert <title> ... </title> tags in the
> source. Preferred, but tedious.
> >>
> >> (2) Extract the title from the source and assure that one is always
> provided from the view.pm functions to the template.
> >>
> >> I'll look at (2). It will involve perl in lib/view.pm along with
> changes to the templates.
> >>
> >> (a) In single_narrative check for headers.title and if missing create
> one.
> >> (b) In html_page. Extract the title and remove from the header
> extracted from the source html. If missing create a title.
> >> (c) Skeleton template is changed to expect the headers.title to be set.
> >>
> >> OK. Some more to do. I'll let you know if I am ready tomorrow night or
> Tuesday. This one is complex enough that I am going to work on it locally
> beforehand.
> >>
> >
> > Hi Dave -- Are we doing this tonight?
>
> Hi Rob,
>
> It looks like this is tomorrow night. I'll reply to your last email and
> let you know. Sorry out of energy for today.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>

Thanks for all your work on this Dave. I can see I really need to get my
head back into the templating aspects in a BIG way to be of much help in
the future. <sigh>


>
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> >> Any other head items that you would like to control from mdtext and or
> html heads?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Here's a list of the pages currently lacking a title:
> >>>
> >>>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Av4Lhq3W5zKodHd6OVVEcGZISVl2Nlpzd2I1NTZhNVE
> >>>
> >>>> And if any are found please check that there is no header in the
> deployed www.openoffice.org version.
> >>>>
> >>>> Any identified are different issue and perhaps a separate issue.
> >>>>
> >>>> Rob, do you have examples? And how do those look on the site?
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Warning this is a sledgehammer and at a similar moment all
of the
> google
> >>>>>> analytics code can be removed. I suppose done properly the doubles
> won't
> >>>>>> matter much, but ....
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> hmmm... an interesting observation. We probably should attempt to
> remove
> >>>>> what's in place first before applying the new template I would think.
> >>>>
> >>>> Agreed.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Dave
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Right.  So we should coordinate on a date/time.   I can prepare
the
> >>>>>> unwrapping of the manual GA locally and be ready to check that
in.
> >>>>>> Then it should be a matter of checking in your template changes,
and
> >>>>>> forcing an update on the server.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> BTW - This was Ariel's change to add GS to the head in the
> >>>>>> template/skeleton - it's nice to see some else making a change!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>> r1347646 | arielch | 2012-06-07 07:41:31 -0700 (Thu, 07
Jun 2012)
> | 1
> >>>>>> line
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Add Google Analytics code to template
> >>>>>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>> r1346837 | arielch | 2012-06-06 04:56:53 -0700 (Wed, 06
Jun 2012)
> | 1
> >>>>>> line
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Add support for custom css per file
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Should I JFDI these fixes or wait? It doesn't look like
you've
> manually
> >>>>>> added it to too many pages.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Here are the files that need editing to remove legacy and
Rob's
> >>>>>> additions.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> $ find . -name "*.html" -type f -exec grep -l google-analytics.com{}
\;
> >>>>>>> ./about/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./ar/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./ast/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./contact_us.html
> >>>>>>> ./cs/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./da/01-10-2003 OpenOffice.org 1.1.html
> >>>>>>> ./da/2.3.0_og_SELinux.html
> >>>>>>> ./da/21-10-2003 Dansk OpenOffice.org 1.1.html
> >>>>>>> ./da/about-documentation.html
> >>>>>>> ./da/about-downloads.html
> >>>>>>> ./da/about-helping.html
> >>>>>>> ./da/about-issuezilla.html
> >>>>>>> ./da/about-mailinglist.html
> >>>>>>> ./da/about-product.html
> >>>>>>> ./da/adresses.html
> >>>>>>> ./da/faq.html
> >>>>>>> ./da/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./da/leverandoerydelser.html
> >>>>>>> ./da/links.html
> >>>>>>> ./da/opendocument.html
> >>>>>>> ./da/referencer.html
> >>>>>>> ./da/translation.html
> >>>>>>> ./de/aoo34.html
> >>>>>>> ./de/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./de/index_new.html
> >>>>>>> ./development/releases/eol.html
> >>>>>>> ./development/releases/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./distribution/cdrom/distributors.html
> >>>>>>> ./distribution/cdrom/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./distribution/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./documentation/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./download/archive.html
> >>>>>>> ./download/checksums/3.4.0_checksums.html
> >>>>>>> ./download/common/instructions.html
> >>>>>>> ./download/contribute.html
> >>>>>>> ./download/index-tr.html
> >>>>>>> ./download/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./download/legacy/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./download/legacy/notes.html
> >>>>>>> ./download/legacy/other.html
> >>>>>>> ./download/notes.html
> >>>>>>> ./download/other.html
> >>>>>>> ./download/sdk.html
> >>>>>>> ./download/test/index_new_dl.html
> >>>>>>> ./download/test/index_newfs_dl.html
> >>>>>>> ./download/test/other_new_dl.html
> >>>>>>> ./download/test/other_print.html
> >>>>>>> ./download/windows-odf/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./el/about-cdrom.html
> >>>>>>> ./el/about-documentation.html
> >>>>>>> ./el/about-downloads.html
> >>>>>>> ./el/about-helping.html
> >>>>>>> ./el/about-issuezilla.html
> >>>>>>> ./el/about-legal.html
> >>>>>>> ./el/about-mailinglist.html
> >>>>>>> ./el/about-spellcheck.html
> >>>>>>> ./el/adresses.html
> >>>>>>> ./el/background.html
> >>>>>>> ./el/contr_spellch.html
> >>>>>>> ./el/credits.html
> >>>>>>> ./el/downloads.html
> >>>>>>> ./el/faq.html
> >>>>>>> ./el/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./el/old-downloads.html
> >>>>>>> ./el/targets.html
> >>>>>>> ./el/test.html
> >>>>>>> ./el/test2.html
> >>>>>>> ./el/test3.html
> >>>>>>> ./el/translate3.html
> >>>>>>> ./es/descargar/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./es/extensiones/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./es/index-new.html
> >>>>>>> ./es/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./es/noticias/aoo34.html
> >>>>>>> ./es/noticias/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./es/participar/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./es/social/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./es/soporte/documentacion.html
> >>>>>>> ./es/soporte/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./es/soporte/listas.html
> >>>>>>> ./extensions/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./fi/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./fi/mallit.html
> >>>>>>> ./fi/tuleva341/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./fr/about-downloads.html
> >>>>>>> ./fr/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./fr/Telecharger/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./gl/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./hu/about-documentation.html
> >>>>>>> ./hu/about-downloads.html
> >>>>>>> ./hu/about-issues.html
> >>>>>>> ./hu/about-product.html
> >>>>>>> ./hu/about-spellcheck.html
> >>>>>>> ./hu/aoo34.html
> >>>>>>> ./hu/background.html
> >>>>>>> ./hu/base.html
> >>>>>>> ./hu/calc.html
> >>>>>>> ./hu/draw.html
> >>>>>>> ./hu/get_legal-hu.html
> >>>>>>> ./hu/impress.html
> >>>>>>> ./hu/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./hu/localisation.html
> >>>>>>> ./hu/math.html
> >>>>>>> ./hu/press_kit.html
> >>>>>>> ./hu/reqts.html
> >>>>>>> ./hu/reviews.html
> >>>>>>> ./hu/suite.html
> >>>>>>> ./hu/whatsnew-2.0.html
> >>>>>>> ./hu/whatsnew-3.0.html
> >>>>>>> ./hu/writer.html
> >>>>>>> ./index.html
> >>>>>>> ./it/download/3.4.0/download340.html
> >>>>>>> ./it/download/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./it/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./it/stampa/comunicati/aoo34-1M.html
> >>>>>>> ./it/stampa/comunicati/aoo34.html
> >>>>>>> ./ja/download/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./ja/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./license.html
> >>>>>>> ./lingucomponent/download_dictionary.html
> >>>>>>> ./lv/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./marketing/marketing_bouncer.html
> >>>>>>> ./mk/3.0.html
> >>>>>>> ./mk/3.1.0.html
> >>>>>>> ./mk/3.1.1.html
> >>>>>>> ./mk/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./news/aoo34-1M.html
> >>>>>>> ./news/aoo34.html
> >>>>>>> ./news/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./nl/downloaden.html
> >>>>>>> ./nl/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./no/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./pl/addons.index.html
> >>>>>>> ./pl/archive.html
> >>>>>>> ./pl/contact.developers.html
> >>>>>>> ./pl/contact.users.html
> >>>>>>> ./pl/docs.index.html
> >>>>>>> ./pl/docs.licencja.html
> >>>>>>> ./pl/help.install.html
> >>>>>>> ./pl/helping.credits.html
> >>>>>>> ./pl/helping.how.html
> >>>>>>> ./pl/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./pl/marketing.logo.html
> >>>>>>> ./pl/product.download.html
> >>>>>>> ./pl/product.download.lpack.html
> >>>>>>> ./pl/product.download1.html
> >>>>>>> ./pl/product.other.html
> >>>>>>> ./pl/product.sources.html
> >>>>>>> ./pl/www/addons.index.html
> >>>>>>> ./pl/www/archive.html
> >>>>>>> ./pl/www/contact.developers.html
> >>>>>>> ./pl/www/contact.users.html
> >>>>>>> ./pl/www/docs.index.html
> >>>>>>> ./pl/www/docs.licencja.html
> >>>>>>> ./pl/www/help.install.html
> >>>>>>> ./pl/www/helping.credits.html
> >>>>>>> ./pl/www/helping.how.html
> >>>>>>> ./pl/www/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./pl/www/marketing.logo.html
> >>>>>>> ./porting/mac/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./projects/accepted.html
> >>>>>>> ./projects/incubator.html
> >>>>>>> ./projects/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./projects/native-lang.html
> >>>>>>> ./pt-br/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./pt-br/news/aoo34.html
> >>>>>>> ./qa/issue_handling/submission_gateway.html
> >>>>>>> ./qa/ooQAReloaded/Docs/QA-Reloaded-BasicRules.html
> >>>>>>> ./ro/descarca_ro.html
> >>>>>>> ./ro/descarc─â_ro.html
> >>>>>>> ./ro/langtools.html
> >>>>>>> ./ro/localization.html
> >>>>>>> ./ru/about-downloads.html
> >>>>>>> ./ru/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./security/bulletin.html
> >>>>>>> ./sk/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./social/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./sr/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./sr/lat/prosirenja/slovima/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./sr/lat/stajeto/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./sr/project_tools.html
> >>>>>>> ./support/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./sv/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./welcome/readme.html
> >>>>>>> ./zh/index.html.html
> >>>>>>> ./zh/new/index.html.html
> >>>>>>> ./zh-cn/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./zh-cn/news/aoo34-1M.html
> >>>>>>> ./zh-cn/news/aoo34.html
> >>>>>>> ./zh-cn/news/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./zh-tw/index.html
> >>>>>>> ./zh-tw/news/aoo34-1M.html
> >>>>>>> ./zh-tw/news/aoo34.html
> >>>>>>> ./zh-tw/news/index.html
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>> Dave
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>>> Dave
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 2012, at 1:26 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Dave Fisher
<
> dave2wave@comcast.net>
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2012, at 8:35 AM, Andrea
Pescetti wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob Weir wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/pl/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is some CSS issue causing
the text to be
> white-on-white or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> something.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I stared at it but did not see
the source of the problem.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The source of the problem is the
first non-comment line here:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/css/ooo.css
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> body {
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> color: white;
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> }
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> but the reason we set it to white
(to override it, of
> course, in
> >>>>>> all
> >>>>>>>>>>>> other languages through specialized
CSS classes) is not clear
> to me.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> All the pages have some bad html.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> After the <body> tag there are
the following on the all PL
> site
> >>>>>> pages.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> </div>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> </td></tr></table>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Add the css for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <td id="plcontent">
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to http://www.openoffice.org/pl/style.css
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The footer is missing on all the pages
as well. So something
> else is
> >>>>>>>>>> wrong.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> There's some work, but I don't have
time at the moment.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dave
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Andrea.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> This is displaying correctly now I think.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>> MzK
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> "I would rather have a donkey that takes
me there
> >>>>>>>>>>> than a horse that will not fare."
> >>>>>>>>>>>                                      --
Portuguese proverb
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>> MzK
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> "I would rather have a donkey that takes me there
> >>>>>>>>> than a horse that will not fare."
> >>>>>>>>>                                       -- Portuguese
proverb
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>> MzK
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "I'm just a normal jerk who happens to make music.
> >>>>> As long as my brain and fingers work, I'm cool."
> >>>>>                            -- Eddie Van Halen
> >>>>
> >>
>
>


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MzK

"I'm just a normal jerk who happens to make music.
 As long as my brain and fingers work, I'm cool."
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