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From Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Java download link on AOO site
Date Sat, 14 Jul 2012 23:48:50 GMT
On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:

>
> On Jul 13, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On Jul 13, 2012, at 10:45 AM, Kay Schenk wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Hagar Delest <
> hagar.delest@laposte.net
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> It has been noticed by a forum user that the download link to Java
> >> points
> >>>> to the 1.7 version (Get the most recent Java (JRE):
> >>>> http://java.com/en/download/**manual.jsp<
> >> http://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp>).
> >>>> We should point to a 1.6 version to avoid problems with Java 1.7 and
> >> AOO:
> >>>> http://java.com/en/download/**manual_v6.jsp<
> >> http://java.com/en/download/manual_v6.jsp>
> >>>>
> >>>> Link is in the Documentation section, right of the page:
> >>>> http://www.openoffice.org/**download/index.html<
> >> http://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hagar
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> ummm...two things on this...
> >>>
> >>> -- there was quite a long discussion on Java 7 that started in Jan. and
> >>> ultimately resulted in this post  on June 19 from Ariel re Java 7
> stating
> >>> that using java 7 didn't seem to cause issues
> >>>
> >>> http://markmail.org/thread/l2vhaqn7d6xvbfi3
> >>>
> >>> -- I might caution against having users download java 6, assuming they
> >> have
> >>> no java 7, due to security concerns and possibly other inconsistencies
> >> with
> >>> whatever OS they are using.
> >>>
> >>> Bottom line -- I'm not sure we should change the java download to
> >> version 6
> >>> over 7.  Maybe others feel there is a compelling reason for this
> >> downgrade,
> >>> I don't know.
> >>>
> >>> as an FYI -- I have java 7 installed and no problems so far.
> >>
> >> FYI - I made the change that Hagar suggested. Please feel free to
> revert.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Dave
> >>
> >
> > OK, I will do some more investigation over the next day or so.
> >
> > I would much prefer if we have something like a 90% success rate with
> java
> > 7, to NOT revert back and  suggest java version 6.
> >
> > Unfortunately, I have no "good" suggestions for how to actually quantify
> > this.
>
> The bug report has come in:
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120275
>

hmmm...OK, so this is basically AOO can not FIND the appropriate java
runtime...not that it doesn't work with java.


>
> I would suggest that we consider the following changes to the site:
>
> (1) Remove the "Get the Java Runtime" selection from
> http://www.openoffice.org/download/
>

yes, this is probably a good idea...


>
> (2) Update the "Java & OpenOffice.org" page at
> http://www.openoffice.org/download/common/java.html
>
> - The page needs updates for Apache OpenOffice
> - Explain which situation requires Java 1.6.
>

OK, yes we need to do this.

 I think the above bug you cited is not a java 1.6 vs 1.7 issue, It's a
"can't find java" issue. I will do some more research tomorrow to see if
there is a really a java 1.6 vs java 1.7 issue. I do remember seeing
complaints about not being able to find java at all -- I would need to
research if indeed there is a java 1.7 issue.


> - Provide both the 1.6 and current links.
>





> Thoughts?


My feeling is that there are several java packagings one might attempt to
use.  I think we should update the "why java" page as you suggest but NOT
link to any java at all. We might just inform folks to use (1) whatever is
provided or recommended for their setup (2), if they do have java installed
and receive the message about recognition problems, tell them how to
resolve this -- how to link in the java they have.



> Does someone want to take a look and make changes. Any change you might
> make is an improvement.
>
> Patches are welcome!
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> PS. I wish people would not feel offended by criticism.
> >> PPS. I wish more volunteers would CTR more about the site.
> >> PPPS. There has been a lot of Review without results - eg. TOU and
> >> forum.openoffice.org.
> >>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> MzK
> >>>
> >>> "I would rather have a donkey that takes me there
> >>> than a horse that will not fare."
> >>>                                         -- Portuguese proverb
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > MzK
> >
> > "I would rather have a donkey that takes me there
> > than a horse that will not fare."
> >                                          -- Portuguese proverb
>
>


-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MzK

"I would rather have a donkey that takes me there
 than a horse that will not fare."
                                          -- Portuguese proverb

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