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From Kevan Miller <kevan.mil...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Terms of Service on Forums
Date Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:30:24 GMT

On Jul 16, 2012, at 3:16 PM, Rob Weir wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
> <dennis.hamilton@acm.org> wrote:
>> I suggest that one not be so careless about asserting ASF copyright on third party
materials.
>> 
>> Why does this meme persist?
>> 
> 
> Why is there a copyright notice on the ASF home page?  I assume that
> is a copyright on the arrangement and selection of pages, as well as
> the look and feel as set by the CSS, etc.  The ASF, via the
> collaboration of its members, create a website that is not merely the
> sum of the individual pages, but is a creative work in itself, similar
> to a copyright that can exist on an anthology of poetry independent of
> the copyright for the individual poems.
> 
> 
>> Please consult Legal before doing anything so outrageous.
>> 
> 
> I don't see the outrage here with there being a copyright on the ASF
> homepage.  Remember, *all* material on Apache websites is 3rd party,
> unless done as a work for hire by an Apache employee.  The iCLA does
> not assign copyright to Apache.  So we're not asserting a copyright on
> 3rd party material.

Agreed.

> 
> Note that we do the same thing in every Apache release, when we put an
> ASF copyright statement in the NOTICE file.  Is that also an "outrage"
> against 3rd party contributions?
> 
> Maybe the key is to find a way to make it clear that the copyright is
> on the site as a whole, but that individual pages remain under the
> copyright of their individual authors?

I haven't read the entire discussion thread. Is that really necessary?

Just double checking -- this material is apache licensed?

--kevan
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