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From Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net>
Subject Re: Terms of Service on Forums
Date Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:41:16 GMT

On Jul 16, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> Dennis,
>> 
>> On Jul 16, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>> 
>>> I suggest that one not be so careless about asserting ASF copyright on
>> third party materials.
>>> 
>>> Why does this meme persist?
>>> 
>>> Please consult Legal before doing anything so outrageous.
>> 
>> You cc'd legal-discuss while cutting out much of this whole email
>> completely destroying all context. (Please cc: ooo-dev since not all of us
>> are going to subscribe to the list to participate in this discussion.)
>> 
>> Context:
>> 
>> IANAL, but I believe that the whole webpage with the project's own banner,
>> footer and navigation can be copyright The ASF whether or not all content
>> in between those elements may have another copyright or none.
>> 
>> Often we don't know the copyright because Sun and Oracle did not keep
>> these records together - there is a list of copyright holders but no way of
>> knowing if their material is still in the site or not.
>> 
>> We believe that we have implied consent to use all the material from
>> Oracle that is on www.openoffice.org and related domains.
>> 
>> Dennis thinks it is outrageous to have an ASF copyright on these combined
>> web pages, what does legal-discuss think?
>> 
>> If this should be or already is a LEGAL JIRA issue then I am fine
>> discussing it there.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>> 
> 
> Dave --
> 
> This was discussed with legal in the past -- please see
> 
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-104

Well, hmmmmmmmm - not really conclusive - and not closed.

I think that there are areas in www.openoffice.org that we certainly can assert copyright
now - eg. download, main page, api, ...

We will have to see if anything happens more on legal-discuss.

I rather object to Dennis's cross posting this thread between legal-discuss and ooo-dev. It
is an example of "spreading the flow".

Look more carefully at what Lawrence Rosen wrote on the JIRA issue.

Egads,
Dave

> 
> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> - Dennis
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2wave@comcast.net]
>>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 11:01
>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: Terms of Service on Forums
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 16, 2012, at 10:45 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>> 
>>> [ ... ]
>>> 
>>>> I still think that we should just post an ASF copyright notice, and
>>>> link to privacy and trademark policies.
>>> 
>>> Agreed.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> [ ... ]
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> MzK
> 
> "I would rather have a donkey that takes me there
> than a horse that will not fare."
>                                          -- Portuguese proverb


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