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From David McKay <dmc...@btconnect.com>
Subject Re: Should quickstarter be enabled or disabled by default?
Date Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:24:48 GMT

On 24/07/2012 23:56, drew jensen wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 14:25 -0700, Kay Schenk wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Kevin Grignon <kevingrignon.oo@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> KG01 - see comments inline.
>>>
>>> On Jul 21, 2012, at 5:40 AM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 2:36 PM, shzh zhao <aoo.zhaoshzh@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> The best way is giving a user an option when installing the software,
>>>>> in this step,let user enable or disable it.
>>>>>
>>> KG01 - Perhaps we can include an 'enable' / 'disable' QuickStart option
>>> directly in the Help menu on the main menu.
>>>
>>> This location would ensure the commands persist, and are available in both
>>> states.
>>>
>>> Evoking the the quickstart menu option from the quickstart bar in the
>>> system tray would serve as contextual, redundant access. Again, enabling
>>> could be evoke by the commands in the help menu.
>>>
>> Well this is an interesting idea. I think this would be better placement
>> than where it is now -- Options -> Tools -> Memory.
>>
>> I have it disabled on my version (and always have near as I remember) but I
>> do recall having a time trying to figure this out.
>>
>> And, since I have had it disabled for ages, I don't recall if I got some
>> notice about it on "first" start up.
> Well, I would not think this a good use of that top menu location. That
> location seems a good place for the type of option that a user is likely
> to toggle, with some frequency. The choice of enabling the quickstarter
> is IMO not such an option - it is as best I can tell a one time choice
> by most.
>
> To be honest the only recollection I have of this is helping people turn
> it off -because it caused either a problem with the JRE/Base (those
> problems I think have been over for years now though) or during an
> update of the full suite (still an on-going problem).
>
> I can't recall one time that I've helped someone turn it on.
>
> My .02 worth - turn it off by default and leave the option toggle where
> it is - better yet, drop it completely.
>
>
> //drew

I agree. I can think of plenty of cases on the forums where advice has 
been provided to turn it off - but can't remember a single case of 
anyone asking for it to be turned on. This might be a function of it 
being on by default, of course. But in general i would say leave the 
option where it is, but have it off by default.  That way if required on 
old hardware or something, the user can turn it on.

Dave.
>
>>
>>>> +1 for this idea if it can be done easily...I don't know what's involved
>>> so
>>>> it may not be possible for the upcoming 3.4.1.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 2012/7/20 Andrea Pescetti <pescetti@apache.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Risto Jääskeläinen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Supposing that quickstarter is working without any faults there
is
>>> still
>>>>>>> a time stealing hiding in it. Those users who use OpenOffice
only once
>>>>>>> and while lost a bit their working time every day they start
their
>>>>>>> computer and not use use OpenOffice at that session.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, but what we should focus on is how easy it is for affected users
>>> to
>>>>>> change behavior. And here having Quickstarter enabled by default
shows
>>> a
>>>>>> clear benefit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Users who have Quickstarter enabled and wish to disable it must simply
>>>>>> right-click on the icon and uncheck "Load during system start-up".
Very
>>>>>> clear and easy. This is probably what saved us from thousands of
>>> reports
>>>>> of
>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/**show_bug.cgi?id=119102<
>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119102>: for once, users
>>>>> were able to figure out how to workaround a bug
>>>>>> themselves (of course, disabling Quickstarter was just a workaround,
>>> but
>>>>> it
>>>>>> worked).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Users who have Quickstarter disabled and wish to enable it must:
know
>>> or
>>>>>> imagine that it exists, open the Options, find it in the jungle of
>>>>> options
>>>>>> (under "Memory", by the way)...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since it is much simpler to disable than enable, and since most
>>> clueless
>>>>>> users will benefit from having it enabled by default, I'd definitely
>>> keep
>>>>>> it enabled. Especially now that the related bug is fixed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>   Andrea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> mailto: *aoo.zhaoshzh@gmail.com <https://google.com/profiles>
>>>>> <https://google.com/profiles>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> MzK
>>>>
>>>> "I would rather have a donkey that takes me there
>>>> than a horse that will not fare."
>>>>                                           -- Portuguese proverb
>>
>>
>
>
> .
>




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