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From drew jensen <drewjensen.in...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Should quickstarter be enabled or disabled by default?
Date Tue, 24 Jul 2012 22:56:57 GMT
On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 14:25 -0700, Kay Schenk wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Kevin Grignon <kevingrignon.oo@gmail.com>wrote:
> 
> > KG01 - see comments inline.
> >
> > On Jul 21, 2012, at 5:40 AM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 2:36 PM, shzh zhao <aoo.zhaoshzh@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> The best way is giving a user an option when installing the software,
> > >> in this step,let user enable or disable it.
> > >>
> > >
> >
> > KG01 - Perhaps we can include an 'enable' / 'disable' QuickStart option
> > directly in the Help menu on the main menu.
> >
> > This location would ensure the commands persist, and are available in both
> > states.
> >
> > Evoking the the quickstart menu option from the quickstart bar in the
> > system tray would serve as contextual, redundant access. Again, enabling
> > could be evoke by the commands in the help menu.
> >
> 
> Well this is an interesting idea. I think this would be better placement
> than where it is now -- Options -> Tools -> Memory.
> 
> I have it disabled on my version (and always have near as I remember) but I
> do recall having a time trying to figure this out.
> 
> And, since I have had it disabled for ages, I don't recall if I got some
> notice about it on "first" start up.

Well, I would not think this a good use of that top menu location. That
location seems a good place for the type of option that a user is likely
to toggle, with some frequency. The choice of enabling the quickstarter
is IMO not such an option - it is as best I can tell a one time choice
by most.

To be honest the only recollection I have of this is helping people turn
it off -because it caused either a problem with the JRE/Base (those
problems I think have been over for years now though) or during an
update of the full suite (still an on-going problem). 

I can't recall one time that I've helped someone turn it on.

My .02 worth - turn it off by default and leave the option toggle where
it is - better yet, drop it completely.


//drew

> 
> 
> >
> > > +1 for this idea if it can be done easily...I don't know what's involved
> > so
> > > it may not be possible for the upcoming 3.4.1.
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> 2012/7/20 Andrea Pescetti <pescetti@apache.org>
> > >>
> > >>> Risto Jääskeläinen wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Supposing that quickstarter is working without any faults there
is
> > still
> > >>>> a time stealing hiding in it. Those users who use OpenOffice only
once
> > >>>> and while lost a bit their working time every day they start their
> > >>>> computer and not use use OpenOffice at that session.
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Yes, but what we should focus on is how easy it is for affected users
> > to
> > >>> change behavior. And here having Quickstarter enabled by default shows
> > a
> > >>> clear benefit.
> > >>>
> > >>> Users who have Quickstarter enabled and wish to disable it must simply
> > >>> right-click on the icon and uncheck "Load during system start-up".
Very
> > >>> clear and easy. This is probably what saved us from thousands of
> > reports
> > >> of
> > >>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/**show_bug.cgi?id=119102<
> > >> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119102>: for once, users
> > >> were able to figure out how to workaround a bug
> > >>> themselves (of course, disabling Quickstarter was just a workaround,
> > but
> > >> it
> > >>> worked).
> > >>>
> > >>> Users who have Quickstarter disabled and wish to enable it must: know
> > or
> > >>> imagine that it exists, open the Options, find it in the jungle of
> > >> options
> > >>> (under "Memory", by the way)...
> > >>>
> > >>> Since it is much simpler to disable than enable, and since most
> > clueless
> > >>> users will benefit from having it enabled by default, I'd definitely
> > keep
> > >>> it enabled. Especially now that the related bug is fixed.
> > >>>
> > >>> Regards,
> > >>>  Andrea.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> *
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> mailto: *aoo.zhaoshzh@gmail.com <https://google.com/profiles>
> > >> <https://google.com/profiles>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > MzK
> > >
> > > "I would rather have a donkey that takes me there
> > > than a horse that will not fare."
> > >                                          -- Portuguese proverb
> >
> 
> 
> 



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