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From Joe Schaefer <>
Subject Re: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun (or lack of)
Date Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:42:01 GMT
----- Original Message -----

> From: Rob Weir <>
> To:
> Cc: 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 11:27 AM
> Subject: Re: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun (or lack of)
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Joe Schaefer <> 
> wrote:
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>  From: Jürgen Schmidt <>
>>>  To:
>>>  Cc:
>>>  Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 10:18 AM
>>>  Subject: Re: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun (or lack of)
>>>  If Hagar really step back and won't continue his great job it will 
> be a
>>>  big lost. We appreciate your work and what you did for the
>>>  infrastructure, the CMS and everything else you do here or for other
>>>  projects. But in this special case you completely failed and it is even
>>>  more worse because you are a mentor. I am sure that nobody in this
>>>  project (excepting other mentors who are surprisingly quite) support
>>>  what you have done or better how you have tried to address this. But I
>>>  hope that you have learned your lesson as well from this.
>>  Let's explore this then, because I don't see why I should feel 
> intimidated
>>  by how someone might respond to a challenge to do more.  Here is how my
>>  original email in this thread described Hagar's "behavior":
>>      "Other citizens might see the trash but instead of tackling the 
> problem
>>      themselves, ask another park visitor to clean it up.  Not a bad thing
>>      to do, but a little bit imposing on the other visitors of the park.
>>      Those people might wonder about why the original citizen did not clean
>>      up the trash themselves, but occasionally you come across citizens
>>      who are happy to just honor the unusual request without issue."
>>  I fail to see how describing Hagar's behavior as "not a bad thing 
> to do"
>>  should trigger a drastic action from Hagar like resigning his 
> responsibilities
>>  from this project.  He seems to be reading far more into what I've 
> written,
>>  and no this thread wasn't meant to be primarily about him at all.
> Hi Joe,  I think that any calm, deliberate, factual analysis would
> come to a similar conclusion.  But in this case I think it was more a
> matter of tone and other intangible aspects of the post.    When I saw
> your original note -- which was a week ago -- I cringed, like when
> hearing a bad note in an orchestra.
> But just like in an orchestra, we need to all just play on.  If it
> turns into a long debate about who played the wrong note and why and
> whether it was even really a bad note -- nothing good comes from this.
> The time wasted on this is time we should be spending on playing the
> next note.
> The weird thing here is that your original note was a week ago.
> Ordinarily I'd expect that emotions would cool down, and any perceived
> affront would diminish over time.  But in this case a week passes and
> we have a resignation.  That is odd to me.

Well if it will help matters any let me apologize to Hagar for being
impolite towards him last week- that much I think we can all agree on.
This is a job for me, and trying to provide front-line infra support
to this project instead of having you folks chase me down through normal
channels sometimes gets the better of me.  I don't pretend to be perfect,
and sometimes will bite someone's head off when a more tactical approach
calls for politeness- but as I said that comes with the territory at times.

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