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From Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun (or lack of)
Date Wed, 18 Jul 2012 00:17:25 GMT
----- Original Message -----

> From: Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net>
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: "dennis.hamilton@acm.org" <dennis.hamilton@acm.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 8:08 PM
> Subject: Re: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun (or lack of)
> 
> I think that it is a good moment to remind the community that the PPMC considers 
> a contributor's merit in the project before electing the individual into the 
> Committer and/or PPMC role. One of the jobs of PPMC members is to identify 
> contributors who are good candidates based on the merit of their contributions. 
> These can be anywhere in the project that is visible to the PPMC and that 
> includes the User Forums.

The thing is, there's no organizational requirement that (P)PMC members
be offered committership as well- it just normally works out that way.

> 
> Regards,
> Dave
> 
> On Jul 17, 2012, at 4:37 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> 
>>  Exactly so Dennis, and here is the community documentation which spells
>>  out how a committer can "more easily make changes without having to go
>>  through the patch submission process" for the website:
>> 
>>      http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/website-local.html
>> 
>> 
>>  "...Making updates to the Apache OpenOffice project's websites is 
> simple.
>>      It's even easy 
>>  for non-committers (new contributors - like you) to create
>>      a patch to request that 
>>  pages are updated by the project community...."
>> 
>> 
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>  From: Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamilton@acm.org>
>>>  To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; 'Joe Schaefer' 
> <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
>>>  Cc: 
>>>  Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:17 PM
>>>  Subject: RE: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun (or lack of)
>>> 
>>>  T he following text is boilerplate on the model that is sent to all who 
> are 
>>>  invited to be committers on AOOi.  It is derived from a model document 
> that is 
>>>  to be found on the Apache site:
>>> 
>>>      Hello <invitee>,
>>> 
>>>      The Apache OpenOffice Podling Project Management Committee (PPMC) 
>>>      hereby offers you committer rights to the project ... .
>>> 
>>>      Being a committer enables you to more easily make changes without 
>>>      needing to go through the patch submission process.  This applies
>>>      not only to the code base but other project areas, such as the
>>>      web sites.  ...
>>> 
>>>      Being a committer does not require you to participate any more 
>>>      than you already do.  It does tend to make one even more 
> committed.  
>>>      You will probably find that you spend more time here.
>>> 
>>>  That same text was in the invitation that Hagar received from the PPMC 
> on 
>>>  2012-03-04.  
>>> 
>>>  This is my sole contribution to this thread.  I am disappointed that 
> Hagar left 
>>>  the PPMC.  
>>> 
>>>  - Dennis
>>> 
>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>  From: Joe Schaefer [mailto:joe_schaefer@yahoo.com] 
>>>  Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 14:42
>>>  To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>  Subject: Re: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun (or lack of)
>>> 
>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>> 
>>>>  From: Rory O'Farrell <ofarrwrk@iol.ie>
>>>>  To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>  Cc: 
>>>>  Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 5:29 PM
>>>>  Subject: Re: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun (or lack 
> of)
>>>> 
>>>>  On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 14:20:02 -0700 (PDT)
>>>>  Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>    If Hagar has a debilitating illness that prevents him from
>>>>>    acquiring the requisite skills, let me apologize for asking
>>>>>    him to try to do something a normal person on this mailing
>>>>>    list can accomplish for themselves.
>>>>> 
>>>>>    That's the best you're going to get Larry.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>    ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>    > From: Larry Gusaas <larry.gusaas@gmail.com>
>>>>>    > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>    > Cc: 
>>>>>    > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 5:14 PM
>>>>>    > Subject: Re: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun 
> (or lack 
>>>  of)
>>>>>    > 
>>>>>    > 
>>>>>    > On 2012-07-17 3:04 PM Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>    >>  Please, everyone.  Let's not pile on this 
> thread with 
>>>  more 
>>>>  name
>>>>>    >>  calling, etc., in the heat of the moment.
>>>>>    >> 
>>>>>    >>  Let's set it aside and see tomorrow if there is 
> anything 
>>>  more 
>>>>  that
>>>>>    >>  should be said.  We accomplish nothing with 
> rapid-fire, 
>>>  emotional
>>>>>    >>  responses.
>>>>>    > 
>>>>>    > I will quit responding when Hagar gets the apology he 
> deserves.
>>>>>    > 
>>>>>    > -- 
>>>>>    > _________________________________
>>>>>    > 
>>>>>    > Larry I. Gusaas
>>>>>    > Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada
>>>>>    > Website: http://larry-gusaas.com
>>>>>    > "An artist is never ahead of his time but most 
> people are 
>>>  far 
>>>>  behind 
>>>>>    > theirs." - Edgard Varese
>>>>>    > 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  I suggest the other Mentors should _urgently review_ this thread 
> and 
>>>  consider 
>>>>  what behaviour is expected from a mentor. 
>>>> 
>>>>  It is unfair to require a volunteer to change his level of 
> committment, or 
>>>  to 
>>> 
>>>  Relax- nobody is *requiring* anything of anyone.  This is about 
> expected and
>>>  model behavior.  For reasons that escape me at this point, Hagar was 
> made a
>>>  committer on this project, and that comes with certain expectations.  
>>>  Additionally
>>>  there are expectations on how *anyone* subscribed to this mailing list 
> SHOULD 
>>>  apply
>>>  community documentation as it pertains to website maintenance.  That is 
> of no 
>>>  surprise
>>>  to anyone either.
>>> 
>>>>  suggest that he might need (I quote) "a debilitating illness 
> that 
>>>  prevents 
>>>>  him from acquiring the requisite skills."  If he has not the 
> time or 
>>>  the 
>>>>  inclination to extend his role, that is sufficient.  
>>> 
>>>  It was, at the end of the day, a *challenge* to either accept or pass 
> on.  
>>>  Expect
>>>  there to be more of them when others approach this mailing list with 
> bug reports
>>>  about web pages, because we want people to use the tools provided by 
> the org to
>>>  fix those bugs themselves.  Will everyone comply?  Of course not.  This 
> is just
>>>  the first example of that- pity it's coming from a committer.
>>> 
> 

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