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From Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun (or lack of)
Date Tue, 17 Jul 2012 23:37:19 GMT
Exactly so Dennis, and here is the community documentation which spells
out how a committer can "more easily make changes without having to go
through the patch submission process" for the website:

    http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/website-local.html


"...Making updates to the Apache OpenOffice project's websites is simple.
    It's even easy 
for non-committers (new contributors - like you) to create
    a patch to request that 
pages are updated by the project community...."


----- Original Message -----
> From: Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamilton@acm.org>
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; 'Joe Schaefer' <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
> Cc: 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:17 PM
> Subject: RE: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun (or lack of)
> 
>T he following text is boilerplate on the model that is sent to all who are 
> invited to be committers on AOOi.  It is derived from a model document that is 
> to be found on the Apache site:
> 
>     Hello <invitee>,
> 
>     The Apache OpenOffice Podling Project Management Committee (PPMC) 
>     hereby offers you committer rights to the project ... .
> 
>     Being a committer enables you to more easily make changes without 
>     needing to go through the patch submission process.  This applies
>     not only to the code base but other project areas, such as the
>     web sites.  ...
> 
>     Being a committer does not require you to participate any more 
>     than you already do.  It does tend to make one even more committed.  
>     You will probably find that you spend more time here.
> 
> That same text was in the invitation that Hagar received from the PPMC on 
> 2012-03-04.  
> 
> This is my sole contribution to this thread.  I am disappointed that Hagar left 
> the PPMC.  
> 
> - Dennis
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Schaefer [mailto:joe_schaefer@yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 14:42
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun (or lack of)
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
>>  From: Rory O'Farrell <ofarrwrk@iol.ie>
>>  To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>  Cc: 
>>  Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 5:29 PM
>>  Subject: Re: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun (or lack of)
>> 
>>  On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 14:20:02 -0700 (PDT)
>>  Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>   If Hagar has a debilitating illness that prevents him from
>>>   acquiring the requisite skills, let me apologize for asking
>>>   him to try to do something a normal person on this mailing
>>>   list can accomplish for themselves.
>>> 
>>>   That's the best you're going to get Larry.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>>   > From: Larry Gusaas <larry.gusaas@gmail.com>
>>>   > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>   > Cc: 
>>>   > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 5:14 PM
>>>   > Subject: Re: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun (or lack 
> of)
>>>   > 
>>>   > 
>>>   > On 2012-07-17 3:04 PM Rob Weir wrote:
>>>   >>  Please, everyone.  Let's not pile on this thread with 
> more 
>>  name
>>>   >>  calling, etc., in the heat of the moment.
>>>   >> 
>>>   >>  Let's set it aside and see tomorrow if there is anything 
> more 
>>  that
>>>   >>  should be said.  We accomplish nothing with rapid-fire, 
> emotional
>>>   >>  responses.
>>>   > 
>>>   > I will quit responding when Hagar gets the apology he deserves.
>>>   > 
>>>   > -- 
>>>   > _________________________________
>>>   > 
>>>   > Larry I. Gusaas
>>>   > Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada
>>>   > Website: http://larry-gusaas.com
>>>   > "An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are 
> far 
>>  behind 
>>>   > theirs." - Edgard Varese
>>>   > 
>>> 
>> 
>>  I suggest the other Mentors should _urgently review_ this thread and 
> consider 
>>  what behaviour is expected from a mentor. 
>> 
>>  It is unfair to require a volunteer to change his level of committment, or 
> to 
> 
> Relax- nobody is *requiring* anything of anyone.  This is about expected and
> model behavior.  For reasons that escape me at this point, Hagar was made a
> committer on this project, and that comes with certain expectations.  
> Additionally
> there are expectations on how *anyone* subscribed to this mailing list SHOULD 
> apply
> community documentation as it pertains to website maintenance.  That is of no 
> surprise
> to anyone either.
> 
>>  suggest that he might need (I quote) "a debilitating illness that 
> prevents 
>>  him from acquiring the requisite skills."  If he has not the time or 
> the 
>>  inclination to extend his role, that is sufficient.  
> 
> It was, at the end of the day, a *challenge* to either accept or pass on.  
> Expect
> there to be more of them when others approach this mailing list with bug reports
> about web pages, because we want people to use the tools provided by the org to
> fix those bugs themselves.  Will everyone comply?  Of course not.  This is just
> the first example of that- pity it's coming from a committer.
> 

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