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From "Dennis E. Hamilton" <>
Subject RE: Terms of Service on Forums
Date Wed, 04 Jul 2012 03:11:06 GMT

Yes, I am seeing what you are seeing.

Concerning the ToU for the forums, it is the same as what was previously on the web site.
 While there is a license grant for non-code and other places where no other license is applied,
the license is also to "all Users".

@Rob, @Drew, @Kay

I created an issue that proposed a new terms of use that was consistent with the Oracle ones
for ASF and would have not made this problem worse, as far as I can tell.  That was long ago
and it went nowhere.  The JIRA issue is here: <>.
 Here's the connected issue on our Bugzilla: <>.
 I came to our Bugzilla because LEGAL-104 can't have attachments.  The attachment on the Bugzilla
provides a red-lined transformation of the Oracle ToU into one that could work for the forums,
wikis, and web pages now under ASF custodianship.
It addresses some of the cases that Rob also mentions.  I stand by my analysis.  You might
want to see how to carve out what you want from that, since it is at least a start and the
places where further customization may be called for are all identified.

 - Dennis

Some months ago it was discussed with the ASF Board whether a privacy condition and safe-harbor
setup was desired.  That apparently didn't get anywhere.

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