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Subject: Re: Propose to Integrate Old OO Wiki and New AOO Wiki
From: Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net>
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Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 21:35:53 -0700
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On Jun 5, 2012, at 6:45 PM, Kevin Grignon wrote:

> KG01 - see comments inline.=20
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> On Jun 6, 2012, at 3:13 AM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
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>> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 10:35 PM, chengjh <chengjh@apache.org> wrote:
>>> Hi,
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>>> We see,the old OpenOffice.org wiki
>>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Main_Page  has accumulated =
plenty
>>> of valuable information,including planning,function =
specification,technical
>>> documents and so on..Currently,the planning and project tracking =
parts have
>>> been moved to
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Wiki+Home,that =
means a
>>> new start of the project.Because the two wikis are two different =
wiki
>>> software systems,moreover, there are existing different writing =
styles
>>> between them and writers need accounts for them respectively, it is =
not
>>> convenient for writers to write wiki articles when switching between
>>> them...So, I propose to create a new wiki for developers to record
>>> technical documents,technical review,proposals/ideas,function =
specification
>>> and design,and so on by sub-project categories, for example,we can =
move the
>>=20
>> We actually already have a 3rd wiki, for developers:
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOODEV/Wiki+Home
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>> Here is the history:
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>> The MediaWiki instance was the legacy wiki, used by OpenOffce.org =
project
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>> When the Apache project was create, we had two new wiki's created.
>> Remember at that time we had not yet migrated the MediaWiki over to
>> Apache, and it was not certain whether we would be able to do it.
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>> The two new wikis were:
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>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Wiki+Home    =
This
>> was the "community wiki" where anyone could create an account and =
edit
>> content.
>>=20
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOODEV/Wiki+Home   This
>> wiki was restricted to committers.
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>> The OOODEV wiki made it suitable for content that might make it into =
a
>> product release.  For example logos, draft help, etc.  If this was =
put
>> on an open wiki, where anyone would access it, then we'd need to do
>> much more work to track permissions if we wanted to move something
>> from the wiki into SVN for use in a release.  Having a wiki that was
>> only writable by committers ensure that the content is always under
>> ALv2.
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>> If we want to go to a single wiki, I think we should resolve the
>> license issue.    And we should also encourage CTR by ensuring that
>> there is an email notification for changes.  We do that for CWiki
>> today.
>>=20
>> -Rob
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> KG01 - While I appreciate that wiki-oriented design and development =
resources are scarce, we should consider forming a swat team to sort =
this out. As a distributed team we need usable tools and useful info. To =
help orient readers, and make active versus archival material distinct, =
we should consider a rapid visual refresh, or some other predominant =
visual affordable. The current "document: outdated" is not predominant =
enough.=20

Rob's description is entirely correct. He does leave out some of the =
detail which is basically for whatever reason the former Admin of the =
wiki and forum did not take well to the Apache way. He DID step up and =
get it migrated and Terry E's effort is much appreciated,

It is good that imacat has stepped up to fulfill the role of sysadmin =
for the MediaWiki. Anyone else?

I'll add that the OOODEV CWiki has been barely used, it should certainly =
be dropped and any existing content moved to OOOUSERS

Regards,
Dave

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>=20
>>=20
>>> scope of teams section from the old OO wiki to the new wiki, or =
*extend the
>>> scope of  =
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Wiki+Home to
>>> include these areas. *Thus, in the future,the new wiki will only =
keep a
>>> link to the old OO wiki which takes as the history data and continue =
to
>>> accumulate new project data to benefit the project and =
contributors..Please
>>> comment...thanks.
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>>> --
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>>> Best Regards,Jianhong Cheng