Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F3929F77 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 15:26:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 61821 invoked by uid 500); 16 Jun 2012 15:26:01 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 61758 invoked by uid 500); 16 Jun 2012 15:26:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 61750 invoked by uid 99); 16 Jun 2012 15:26:01 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 15:26:01 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of wolf.halton@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.175 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.215.175] (HELO mail-ey0-f175.google.com) (209.85.215.175) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 15:25:54 +0000 Received: by eaal1 with SMTP id l1so1194627eaa.6 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 08:25:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Qg/NH+mPeBqYwE4i8w3HieX8vWwRxR0ZTY0JrPC2eBg=; b=HGb7U/+7eWpa5XL5t0HhVpiD1Apj2aV20X/o/4W9ro8PpNDbKWI8juxSQWn6Byd4kh azEclhAlPzWU6F37jmxw1yzYBk/55TXWYMugncVmebgBKsHa7ZeJ7LCd1VWKntRzrHAG AkohicYLhpMCU10TyBdlRYw560UWohsYpOeLe+zYFyQyTdyPAi/ZV5cIzZVjzuGgeUvb P3Hpy15PZkbCYImNEjBdfBOEtnTv9maaDvTmroq/LbabUaDzhaBBxoek+nqSYikb8fx1 sgksJbifJFW9Np8eY4UuQPf4GfTJ+FF9UsCidCvIwfsX5jgFGwG1vA49f8ClGVV4PtjK 7enA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.96.72 with SMTP id q48mr861430eef.122.1339860333930; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 08:25:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.183.72 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 08:25:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 11:25:33 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: [Proposal] Guidelines for list conduct policy From: Wolf Halton To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec5396a6840a77404c2988b04 --bcaec5396a6840a77404c2988b04 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is a draft with the additions from the group, for a lazy consensus. I am envisioning that the final draft can be added to the sign-in progress for the various mailing-lists and also as a link to the project mailing-list page. I have not included any pieces about what happens to an individual who does not abide by the general group agreements, as that has not been discussed here yet. -------------------------------------- List Conduct Policy 1. What Happens in Vegas, Stays in Vegas: Anything you read in the private list is by default a private PPMC affair and not to be spoken of, or copied to other people who are not in the PPMC. If you think about it, most topic threads probably should be = in the public lists, except choosing committers and PPMC members, and a ver= y few others. In fact, all email lists or email conversations have this aspect of privacy. Even if there are 23000 subscribers on the list, it is assumed that privacy will be maintained and a list member's name and location wi= ll not be published in a newspaper or some other public venue where persona= l privacy is not expected. 2. Be Nice: Not only are there lots of people on this list whose first language is not English, there are busy hurried readers. If other list members are telling you they do not understand what you wrote, or take your innocent phasing in a poor light, take it as a signal that your writing style is = too idiomatic or too technical (unlikely but possible) for others to follow easily. This does not necessarily mean you are mean, wrong and bad, so just be nice and reword the passage. Assume people are not in "attack mode." We are all on the same team here. 3. Don't Respond When You are Angry: Presuming people are not in attack mode means, if you think they are, just now, then probably you are just misunderstanding their point. Ad hominem attacks, e.g., "You are too dumb to get this," are a sign that y= ou yourself may not have a good-enough handle on the issue to explain your point clearly. 4. Relax: Always remember, that unless there is a *darn* good reason, nothing gets decided at the ASF in less than 72 elapsed hours, so your reply can wait until morning. You might even get lucky, and when you check back somebo= dy else will have posted either what you wanted to say, or something close enough that you can work with it. Remember that the members of a community mailing list will get to the list when they can. Most of us do this in our spare time, and in differe= nt time zones. Perhaps the rule of thumb could be to respond no more than o= nce per hour, or once per day, to any given thread. The highest frequency of responses does not necessarily =E2=80=9CWin=E2=80=9D in a community of e= quals. The most concise and useful post tends to win, if furthering the dialog and advancing the community's goals is what we are after.. 5. Get to the Point: Write as tersely as possible, and edit down as much possible, so other people who are just as busy as you may quickly get your point without ending up defensive. 6. Consider trimming the post to which you are responding: People who read emails on small screens are not the only ones who are frustrated by picking important new information out of tons of stuff the= y have already read. To trim a post, one simply remove any parts of the p= ost to which one is replying that are not important to understand ones reply= . If the response to one of these posts is, =E2=80=9CWhat? I do not unders= tand,=E2=80=9D then it may be that too much of the context may have been removed. 7. There are Going to be Exceptions to the Rule: All of these guidelines are subject to sanity-testing. A person posting child porn on this list will be reported to the appropriate authorities and will not be able to complain that their list privacy has been violated. Ramping up to a release, there are a lot of postings at high frequency. Sometimes it takes a long post to say what needs to be said. More Useful Stuff: Apache Tips for Email Contributors =E2=80=93 http://www.apache.org/dev/contrib-email-tips.html Apache OpenOffice Mailing Lists =E2=80=93 http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --=20 This Apt Has Super Cow Powers - http://sourcefreedom.com Open-Source Software in Libraries - http://FOSS4Lib.org Advancing Libraries Together - http://LYRASIS.org Apache Open Office Developer wolfhalton@apache.org --bcaec5396a6840a77404c2988b04--