From ooo-dev-return-20238-apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Sun Jun 3 18:49:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 764299E83 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 18:49:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 4932 invoked by uid 500); 3 Jun 2012 18:49:09 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 4876 invoked by uid 500); 3 Jun 2012 18:49:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 4868 invoked by uid 99); 3 Jun 2012 18:49:09 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:49:09 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (nike.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [98.139.91.89] (HELO nm19.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.89) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with SMTP; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:48:57 +0000 Received: from [98.139.91.68] by nm19.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2012 18:48:36 -0000 Received: from [72.30.22.39] by tm8.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2012 18:48:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1069.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2012 18:48:36 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 4638.99277.bm@omp1069.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 30857 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jun 2012 18:48:35 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1338749315; bh=HGOEa+DP8z5Hk9hEojVITA1LH3NTYR/0qv5OpWPhMck=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-RocketYMMF:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jonZ/sVC3hEB4ceKPb6GfJz4oLr1K/jZl7GAuxsLFyCZEfGz1pQi7rc3Mbau8kpU68kqwVCM7Vrg0lblOY5mtz+9tEfNnxL/hHIOZfbZboJz/UqhhKOnZh26mwdXaVSkbh6JmZliBu+f0P4AVwmFGpHTx4fGzXrD/35ILGvN0B8= X-YMail-OSG: NztQQH4VM1k1O2jSWeqapGoXabBqHWnfvGdfVN9HK_JZJEW dqEYfUvPW6zJeJl18tGFFGKGd7N3pENoXvK067uW55s6Wly9glN5WmJ1PT0v AUeWDvVdiUt7c5kMMgx9t14tXsTy_XHYzCgwgYEUQcqUQo3v0bE1CdLGC1G0 DDoErjQe3w.tIxUduhr4yGhukho1R0j2mCB2QGv8dPeF.8tbpSWkwYuKoteZ c0KsiUM0eVwh.7ZUL7_hWVqMYWXIpzlhBe9FMOplSJSPXt2TdFCeM4FJ8FlF gvYR5fm6nLQbW2_s.a3zZnBoGGCCWzIoMDSa6wHrio4tYqE_2ciSvu9h.u7h 0XCl8nSsv8OvT_YTjaZ7XSZEB9VmoYkW2RHbfcyGg8EtmiCvAE0tFWI60xOX BT5wZfpPnmfIjwKFvUZXjhumk7_XXu3Wmwrbc5avLuUxF3VAo3Mwx9k2UKp4 0G4r9V3vjFJlL8P9r7VpeVcGF75qSA1zj_n5aAInxkVCS3DXECCuxZWH1572 yZqmYVrEIxmLvg4Q.B4.rm40o8ahSCA-- Received: from [200.118.157.7] by web113505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 11:48:35 PDT X-RocketYMMF: giffunip X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1338749315.22326.YahooMailClassic@web113505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 11:48:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Pedro Giffuni Reply-To: pfg@apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Rules of voting for new committers and PPMC members To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FWIW,=0A=0AThe Foundation Roles are explained here:=0A=0Ahttp://www.apache.= org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles=0A=0APretty much in line to what you= are thinking.=0A=0APedro.=0A=0A--- Dom 3/6/12, Yong Lin Ma ha scritto:=0A=0A> This was a discussion about rules of=0A> voting for= new committer and PPMC=0A> member. We think it is more appropriate to let = all=0A> contributors get=0A> involved in this. So I moved the discussion to= ooo-dev.=0A> =0A> General process about voting in a new committer and PPMC= =0A> member is here=0A> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html=0A> = =0A> By far the practice is most candidates were voted for=0A> committer an= d=0A> PPMC member at the same time.=0A> And no concreate critrial defined i= n public for AOO.=0A> =0A> Your comments are welcomed.=0A> =0A> =0A> A comm= ent from Rob:=0A> =0A> >If it were entirely up to me I'd have it be like:= =0A> =0A> >1) Contributor -- anyone who contributes to the project,=0A> mai= ling list=0A> discussions, patches, translations, bug reports, doc,=0A> sup= port.=A0 This=0A> comes in all flavors and sizes.=A0 We need to do a better= =0A> job giving=0A> them credit and acknowledging their contributions.=A0 I= f=0A> the feeling is=0A> that someone is not valued unless they are voted i= n as a=0A> PPMC member,=0A> then we're doing something wrong.=0A> =0A> >2) = Committer -- The threshold question:=A0 Do we=0A> trust their judgement=0A>= with respect to the area of their contributions?=A0 The=0A> move from=0A> = contributor to committer is a move from RTC (patches must be=0A> reviewed)= =0A> to CTR.=A0 So we really need to have a sense that they=0A> are doing q= uality=0A> work.=A0 Committers also have veto rights on all of our=0A> comm= its.=A0 So we=0A> need to trust their judgement.=0A> =0A> >3) PMC member --= The threshold question:=A0 Do they=0A> understand The=0A> Apache Way and o= ur community-based decision making? On=0A> average are=0A> they solving mor= e community problems than they are=0A> causing?=A0 Are they=0A> helping oth= ers in the community succeed?=A0 When we=0A> graduate, and our=0A> Mentors = move on to other podlings, the PMC collectively=0A> needs to=0A> mentor new= members to the project.=A0 So I think the PMC=0A> is more about=0A> trusti= ng their community skills rather than their technical=0A> skills.=0A> =0A> = >It might be possible for someone to qualify for 2 and 3=0A> at the same=0A= > time.=A0 But probably not in every case.=0A> =0A> >Note:=A0 This is not h= ow we have operated=0A> previously.=A0 I think there was=0A> an bootstrappi= ng issue where we needed to have a PPMC=0A> suitably large=0A> and diverse = to provide balance.=A0 We also obviously=0A> started with a PPMC=0A> consis= ting of people who did not fully understand=0A> Apache.=A0 That is the=0A> = nature of Incubation.=A0 But I don't think this approach=0A> is necessarily= =0A> something we should continue with a year later, as we=0A> approach=0A>= graduation.=0A>