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From Donald Whytock <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Participate in another GSoC like programme
Date Mon, 25 Jun 2012 13:02:49 GMT
Just a caveat...There was an issue with the now-attic-ed project
Bluesky, which, as I understand it, was operated with teacher
committers and student contributors.  The whole IP/licensing issue
looked ugly toward the end because none of the students had signed
ICLAs and hadn't contributed the code directly with license
acknowledgement checkboxes selected.

GSoC is a volunteer thing.  Schoolwork typically isn't.  A school
isn't an employer of students, and therefore I assume can't do a CCLA
that would cover students.  Can students be compelled through
schoolwork assignments to do work that would then be treated as
"contributions"?  Or would this be like an internship or a dedicated
class, such that signing up for it at all is contingent on signing an


On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 8:24 AM, Ross Gardler
<> wrote:
> My apologies, I sent this to the wrong list (damned autocomplete)
> please ignore (or pick it up on if you are
> interested)
> On 25 June 2012 13:15, Ross Gardler <> wrote:
>> Some may recall that I kept promising the arrival of students from an
>> EU Commission project on a GSoC style pilot in formal education. This
>> was a very long way from successful but there was zero impact on our
>> projects since we asked PMCs to mark GSoC level projects as "mentor".
>> This enabled us to provide a list of suitable projects for the
>> students without PMCs needing to do additional work.
>> I've now been approached by another EU Commission project proposal
>> team that wants to do something similar, but this time with students
>> doing the work as part of their assessed coursework (i.e. they have a
>> strong motivation for doing the work). Another, big difference this
>> time is that one of the partner organisations has ASF committers (2
>> of) and there are three open source savvy commercial organisations on
>> the bid (DISCLOSURE: one of them is my little consultancy company).
>> Given the way these proposals get written, there is a very tight
>> deadline on this (2 days). I got a first draft of the proposal this
>> weekend and I am now satisfied that what is being asked of associate
>> partners is acceptable (i.e we won't be responsible for students
>> education). However, there isn't enough time for a proper discuss then
>> vote process. I'm therefore running these in parallel.
>> If anyone has *any* serious concerns about rushing like this please
>> vote -1 and I'll go back to plan B which is simply to highlight my
>> engagement with the ASF as an individual. Note that I will not be
>> voting given the obvious conflict of interest. However, if the funding
>> is approved I will be taking full responsibility for all aspects of
>> administration within the ASF (and other associate partners). Note I
>> have also notified board@ and will cancel the vote if the board raises
>> a concern.
>> In terms of deliverables from the project think of GSoC where the
>> students get credits towards their degree rather than cash (Semester
>> of Code rather than Summer of Code). If successful the project will
>> provide a "manual" for other universities wishing to offer such real
>> world experience to their students.
>> Our PMCs will choose to offer mentors based on the quality of student
>> applications - if there are no students that look interesting we have
>> no further commitments.
>> Here is the text of the letter of intent I propose to sign if the
>> ComDev PMC approves:
>> ---- start copied text ---
>> The Apache Software Foundation (ASF) provides support for the Apache
>> community of open-source software projects. That community provide
>> software products for the public good. The ASF is made up of over 100
>> top level projects that cover a wide range of technologies. Chances
>> are that if anyone is looking for a rewarding experience in Open
>> Source, you are going to find it here.
>> The Apache projects are defined by collaborative consensus based
>> processes, an open, pragmatic software license and a desire to create
>> high quality software that leads the way in its field. We are
>> recognized as one of the most influential software organisations of
>> our time and are often seen as the "gold standard" of open source
>> software development.
>> We have participated in the Google Summer of Code programme since its
>> inception and continue to mentor around 40 students per year. We have
>> had great success with this programme with some of our earliest
>> students still working with us.
>> The OSKA project has the potential to extend the benefits of the
>> Google Summer of Code programme into formal education whilst still
>> allowing our communities to work alongside students in real world open
>> source projects. As a voluntary organisation we cannot guarantee that
>> students will succeed, but we can provide an environment in which  any
>> sufficiently able
>> student will find our projects supportive and educational. We look
>> forward to extending our Google Summer of Code efforts to support the
>> OSKA trial.
>> --
>> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
>> Programme Leader (Open Development)
>> OpenDirective
> --
> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
> Programme Leader (Open Development)
> OpenDirective

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