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From Wolf Halton <wolf.hal...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [Proposal] Guidelines for list conduct policy
Date Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:51:39 GMT
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 7:42 PM, drew <drew@baseanswers.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 16:21 -0700, Kay Schenk wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 3:33 PM, drew <drew@baseanswers.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 00:14 +0200, RGB ES wrote:
> > > > 2012/6/20 drew jensen <drewjensen.inbox@gmail.com>:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> List Conduct Policy
> > > > >>
> > > > >>    1.
> > > > >>    What Happens on the list, stays on the list:
> > > > >>    Anything you read in the private list is by default a private
> PPMC
> > > > >>    affair and not to be spoken of, or copied to, other people
who
> are
> > > not in
> > > > >>    the PPMC.  If you think about it, most topic threads probably
> > > should
> > > > >> be in
> > > > >>    the public lists, except choosing committers and PPMC members,
> and
> > > a very
> > > > >>    few other topics.
> > > > >>    In fact, all email lists or email conversations have this
> aspect of
> > > > >>    privacy. Even if there are 23000 subscribers on the list,
it is
> > > assumed
> > > > >>    that privacy will be maintained and a list member's name and
> > > location
> > > > >> will
> > > > >>    not be disclosed in some public venue where personal privacy
> is not
> > > > >> expected,
> > > > >>    such as published in a newspaper or some other.
> > > > >
> > > > > hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > I would disagree with that last statement completely - a public
> list is
> > > > > just that, public, and there should be absolutely no expectation
of
> > > > > privacy whatsoever. To pretend otherwise is simply to lie to those
> who
> > > > > would use the list.
> > > > >
> > > > > //drew
> > > >
> > > > Point one refers to the private lists, I think.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe add a "point zero" with an introduction to the mailing lists,
> as
> > > > Ross asked? Not a detailed introduction, just to say most lists are
> > > > public but one is private. Then the "code of conduct" can be
> separated
> > > > on a "general part" that apply to all lists and a second part with
> > > > additional rules (for instance, the privacy one) for the private
> list.
> > > >
> > > > Ricardo
> > > >
> > >
> > > OK if that is really just about private lists, but the last sentence
> > > read to me as if it was broader.
> > >
> > > Anyway - to be honest I find the whole subject rather silly. Does
> anyone
> > > really need to be told that what happens on a private list is by
> > > definition to be held in confidence?
> > >
> > > //drew
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Well, Drew, I think this is why this whole discussion started. Most of us
> > would think the answer to your question is "no", but, well, apparently
> > there was some looser interpretation that some felt needed
>  clarification.
>
> Not at all - someone violated that trust, everyone knew it was wrong,
> there didn't need to be rules written for folks to know that.
>
> But that is just my opinion of course.
>
> >
> > Anyway, Wolf, this is really good. I think this would be better posted as
> > just a link on the project site,
> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/,
> > under the Mailing Lists link, and give more clarification on item #1 that
> > this most importantly applies to private mailing lists. Drew's right that
> > we don't want to mislead people to think anything else is private.
> >
> > I think maybe it's a bit lengthy to add to a "welcome" message to list
> > subscribers.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
The #1 entry is the most "reactionary" meaning it is in reaction to an
event or events which we as a group never want to see again, and such is
probably a dangerous step toward totalitarianism.  I, and others  have
defanged it somewhat.  I know it needs to be clarified to limit its scope
to only the private lists or specifically the PPMC list and Security list.
Maybe that paragraph should be #7 and something else should be at the top,
as there are only a small percentage who are members of the PPMC/Security
and a lot more who are part of dev@ or Users@ or marketing@ etc..

-Wolf

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