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From Ross Gardler <>
Subject Re: [Proposal] Guidelines for list conduct policy
Date Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:26:06 GMT
Top posting as I'm not commenting on the text itself. I'd like to request
that this document clarifies the purpose of the private list - we don't
want to give the  impression that the project conducts essential business
on the private list.

Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
On Jun 16, 2012 4:26 PM, "Wolf Halton" <> wrote:

> This is a draft with the additions from the group, for a lazy consensus.
> I am envisioning that the final draft can be added to the sign-in progress
> for the various mailing-lists and also as a link to the project
> mailing-list page.
> I have not included any pieces about what happens to an individual who does
> not abide by the general group agreements, as that has not been discussed
> here yet.
> --------------------------------------
> List Conduct Policy
>   1.
>   What Happens in Vegas, Stays in Vegas:
>   Anything you read in the private list is by default a private PPMC
>   affair and not to be spoken of, or copied to other people who are not in
>   the PPMC.  If you think about it, most topic threads probably should be
> in
>   the public lists, except choosing committers and PPMC members, and a very
>   few others.
>   In fact, all email lists or email conversations have this aspect of
>   privacy. Even if there are 23000 subscribers on the list, it is assumed
>   that privacy will be maintained and a list member's name and location
> will
>   not be published in a newspaper or some other public venue where personal
>   privacy is not expected.
>   2.
>   Be Nice:
>   Not only are there lots of people on this list whose first language is
>   not English, there are busy hurried readers.  If other list members are
>   telling you they do not understand what you wrote, or take your innocent
>   phasing in a poor light, take it as a signal that your writing style is
> too
>   idiomatic or too technical (unlikely but possible) for others to follow
>   easily.  This does not necessarily mean you are mean, wrong and bad, so
>   just be nice and reword the passage.  Assume people are not in "attack
>   mode." We are all on the same team here.
>   3.
>   Don't Respond When You are Angry:
>   Presuming people are not in attack mode means, if you think they are,
>   just now, then probably you are just misunderstanding their point. Ad
>   hominem attacks, e.g., "You are too dumb to get this," are a sign that
> you
>   yourself may not have a good-enough handle on the issue to explain your
>   point clearly.
>   4.
>   Relax:
>   Always remember, that unless there is a *darn* good reason, nothing gets
>   decided at the ASF in less than 72 elapsed hours, so your reply can wait
>   until morning.  You might even get lucky, and when you check back
> somebody
>   else will have posted either what you wanted to say, or something close
>   enough that you can work with it.
>   Remember that the members of a community mailing list will get to the
>   list when they can. Most of us do this in our spare time, and in
> different
>   time zones. Perhaps the rule of thumb could be to respond no more than
> once
>   per hour, or once per day, to any given thread. The highest frequency of
>   responses does not necessarily “Win” in a community of equals. The most
>   concise and useful post tends to win, if furthering the dialog and
>   advancing the community's goals is what we are after..
>   5.
>   Get to the Point:
>   Write as tersely as possible, and edit down as much possible, so other
>   people who are just as busy as you may quickly get your point without
>   ending up defensive.
>   6.
>   Consider trimming the post to which you are responding:
>   People who read emails on small screens are not the only ones who are
>   frustrated by picking important new information out of tons of stuff they
>   have already read.  To trim a post, one simply remove any parts of the
> post
>   to which one is replying that are not important to understand ones reply.
>   If the response to one of these posts is, “What? I do not understand,”
> then
>   it may be that too much of the context may have been removed.
>   7.
>   There are Going to be Exceptions to the Rule:
>   All of these guidelines are subject to sanity-testing.
>   A person posting child porn on this list will be reported to the
>   appropriate authorities and will not be able to complain that their list
>   privacy has been violated.
>   Ramping up to a release, there are a lot of postings at high frequency.
>   Sometimes it takes a long post to say what needs to be said.
> More Useful Stuff:
> Apache Tips for Email Contributors –
> <>
> Apache OpenOffice Mailing Lists –
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