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From Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [Proposal] Guidelines for list conduct policy
Date Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:21:43 GMT
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 3:33 PM, drew <drew@baseanswers.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 00:14 +0200, RGB ES wrote:
> > 2012/6/20 drew jensen <drewjensen.inbox@gmail.com>:
> > >>
> > >> List Conduct Policy
> > >>
> > >>    1.
> > >>    What Happens on the list, stays on the list:
> > >>    Anything you read in the private list is by default a private PPMC
> > >>    affair and not to be spoken of, or copied to, other people who are
> not in
> > >>    the PPMC.  If you think about it, most topic threads probably
> should
> > >> be in
> > >>    the public lists, except choosing committers and PPMC members, and
> a very
> > >>    few other topics.
> > >>    In fact, all email lists or email conversations have this aspect of
> > >>    privacy. Even if there are 23000 subscribers on the list, it is
> assumed
> > >>    that privacy will be maintained and a list member's name and
> location
> > >> will
> > >>    not be disclosed in some public venue where personal privacy is not
> > >> expected,
> > >>    such as published in a newspaper or some other.
> > >
> > > hi,
> > >
> > > I would disagree with that last statement completely - a public list is
> > > just that, public, and there should be absolutely no expectation of
> > > privacy whatsoever. To pretend otherwise is simply to lie to those who
> > > would use the list.
> > >
> > > //drew
> >
> > Point one refers to the private lists, I think.
> >
> > Maybe add a "point zero" with an introduction to the mailing lists, as
> > Ross asked? Not a detailed introduction, just to say most lists are
> > public but one is private. Then the "code of conduct" can be separated
> > on a "general part" that apply to all lists and a second part with
> > additional rules (for instance, the privacy one) for the private list.
> >
> > Ricardo
> >
>
> OK if that is really just about private lists, but the last sentence
> read to me as if it was broader.
>
> Anyway - to be honest I find the whole subject rather silly. Does anyone
> really need to be told that what happens on a private list is by
> definition to be held in confidence?
>
> //drew
>
>
>
Well, Drew, I think this is why this whole discussion started. Most of us
would think the answer to your question is "no", but, well, apparently
there was some looser interpretation that some felt needed  clarification.

Anyway, Wolf, this is really good. I think this would be better posted as
just a link on the project site,  http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/,
under the Mailing Lists link, and give more clarification on item #1 that
this most importantly applies to private mailing lists. Drew's right that
we don't want to mislead people to think anything else is private.

I think maybe it's a bit lengthy to add to a "welcome" message to list
subscribers.



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