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From "Juan C. Sanz" <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Pootle and New Contributor Category
Date Fri, 08 Jun 2012 12:43:01 GMT
El 08/06/2012 1:22, Rob Weir escribió:
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Dave Fisher <> wrote:
>> On Jun 7, 2012, at 3:43 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton <>wrote:
>>>> +1 on this discussion so far.
>>>> I was skeptical but I favor how this is going.
>>>> Also, the anonymous contribution to pootle is a no-no.
>>>> - Dennis
>>>> PS: Changing to the [DISCUSS] that is called for and to have it be visible.
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rob Weir []
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 09:41
>>>> To:
>>>> Subject: Re: *DRAFT FINAL* June board report
>>>> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Jürgen Schmidt
>>>> <> wrote:
>>>>> On 6/7/12 12:10 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
>>>>>> On 7 June 2012 11:02, Jürgen Schmidt <>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/7/12 11:54 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7 June 2012 10:47, Jürgen Schmidt <>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/12 11:28 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7 June 2012 05:50, Herbert Duerr <>
>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>> I think we maybe should add one more topic here:
Working with
>>>> pootle
>>>>>>>>>>> currently requires committership, which results
in translators
>>>> having having
>>>>>>>>>>> to be fast-tracked when they show up on the mailing
list. The
>>>> board needs to
>>>>>>>>>>> decide if this short-circuiting of the process
is desirable or not
>>>> and what
>>>>>>>>>>> the alternatives are.
>>>>>>>>>> No, need, that's not a board level issue. It's up
to the project to
>>>> define its
>>>>>>>>>> own expectations of committers.
>>>>>>>>> it's a very bad limitation. I would prefer a user management
>>>>>>>>> allows registration (by email verification) of new users
and where
>>>> new
>>>>>>>>> users agree to contribute under the Apache license. Maybe
>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> an iCLA but not necessarily require to be committer.
>>>>>>>>> But I am not sure if something like that would be possible
at all.
>>>>>>>>> Otherwise we have to deal with the current approach and
hope that we
>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> reach volunteers to accept this approach and work together
with them
>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> a fast-track.
>>>>>>>> I agree that the limitation suboptimal.
>>>>>>>> I suggest someone take this up with legal-discuss@ If legal@
>>>> able
>>>>>>>> to approve a more relaxed approach to iCLAs for access to
Pootle then
>>>>>>>> infra@ can be asked to find a technical solution.
>>>>>>> I agree and thanks to remind me that I should take the appropriate
>>>>>>> action to address things like that ;-)
>>>>>> Careful with the "I" - madness lies that way ;-)
>>>>>> This is the perfect opportunity for someone lurking here to make
>>>>>> early and potentially very significant contribution. Shepherding
>>>>>> kinds of actions takes time away from those embedded in the coding.
>>>>>> It's a good way to earn merit while you figure out where to contribute
>>>>>> to the project. If someone like that is reading but not sure how
>>>>>> proceed I'm sure others will help guide you.
>>>>> I agree but the idea is not really new and nothing happened so far ;-)
>>>>> Thinking more about it I would like to discuss a new term "Apache
>>>>> contributor" where users can register for an user account by accepting
>>>>> that all their contributions are under ALv2. The verification can be
>>>>> email verification and the iCLA can be required as well (details have
>>>>> be defined). With such accounts people would get access to more pubic
>>>>> wikis (like our user wiki), tools like Pootle, bugzilla etc.
>>>> The "contributor" role at Apache already handles this.  A contributor
>>>> can already register in Bugzilla, post patches, register in the wiki,
>>>> contribute documentation, etc.
>>>> What a contributor cannot do is directly modify the product code in
>>>> SVN.  So they are in RTC mode with respect to product code, including
>>>> translations.
>>>> I think the disconnect here is we only have an anonymous method for
>>>> contributors to add translations to Pootle.  I can see the
>>>> justification for requiring non-committers to submit translations as
>>>> patches in BZ or via suggestions in Pootle.  But the anonymous part of
>>>> this is completely wrong, both from community and from legal
>>>> standpoint.
>>>> For example, those who contribute to Pootle, anonymously, see their
>>>> contributions marked as being from "nobody" in the UI:
>>>> Isn't that rather insulting?
>>> [reposted since I didn't see this topic change]
>>> yes, it is...I thought Juergen was suggesting that some special submission
>>> access if you will be granted to the Pootle server.
>> As in we would like to be able to allow people with an iCLA on file to register for
access to the pootle server.
>> We can call these people "invited translators"
> Why not allow that to everyone?  I'm trying to see what harm would
> come from that?  No one needs special permission to enter a BZ issue
> and attach a patch.  Why can't someone log into Pootle and enter a
> suggestion?  Is there a technical reason why this is not happening?
But as far as I can remember it didn't work properly

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