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From David McKay <>
Subject Re: Must use the incubating qualifier
Date Sat, 23 Jun 2012 21:38:34 GMT

On 23/06/12 22:19, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> OK, personal impression only:
> I find the rainbow coloring through the text of "Get it Here" to be distracting and not
helpful.  I know some subset of us know what the colors represent, but I see no need to be
cute about it.  (Yes, this will be on the final exam.)
I'm not too sure about the wording 'Get it here'. To me that isn't as 
simple and clear as something like 'Click to Download'.

Might just be the way my brain is wired up, but it says to me 'you can 
get it here on this web page somewhere', whereas something that 
specifically says 'This is the link/image/gizmo you need to click on to 
kick off the download' is evidently the bit you need to click on.

> I also hope that we might provide a specimen <a><image /></a> that
provides alternative texts that are useful for screen readers, text-to-voice, etc., and other
accessibility-oriented purposes.  I suppose it will be tagged as English, since "Get it Here"
> I'm abstaining on this: Drew provides significant effort here, and I recognize that.
 I am providing my impressions FWIW.
>   - Dennis
> PS: Perhaps others can suggest translations for use on non-English sites.  The URL might
then need to change as well.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: drew []
> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 13:57
> To:
> Subject: Re: Must use the incubating qualifier
> On Sat, 2012-06-23 at 21:51 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote:
>> The way to deal with these things is acknowledge the need to use the
>> qualifier. Where there is a reasonable argument (blog titles on the ASF
>> home page for example) undertake to improve things and move on.
>> These things come up occasionally when an interested IPMC member does a
>> review and sees things the rest of us missed. I brought it here in the hope
>> of preventing an IPMC mega-thread. Acknowledge it there, deal with it here.
>> If it helps, I'm not worried about the logo thing, but that might be just
>> me.
> Hi Ross, others,
> I'm not worried about the logo thing either per se, then again tradition
> is worth something isn't it.
> Anyway - here is one quick proposal for a logo change:
> Let me know what folks,
> //drew
>> On Saturday, 23 June 2012, Dennis E. Hamilton
>> <dennis.hamilton<>
>> @ <> <>> wrote:
>>> I think it would be good and wait until the original reporter identifies
>> what the specific infraction is and what its cure is.  One part of the
>> complaint is how AOOi is mentioned in tweets by @TheASF.  Those are not, as
>> far as I am aware, anything under our control whatsoever.
>>> I would not dispense with full atom feeds.
>>> Having "(incubating)" used at the beginning of a post, even with a link
>> to what that entails, could be useful.  Whether it needs to be in the title
>> or not remains to be seen.
>>> Of course, whatever the practice is asserted to be, it will need to be
>> honored by all incubating projects, of course.
>>>   - Dennis
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir <>@ <>
>> <>]
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 08:40
>>> To: ooo-dev@ <><>
>>> Subject: Re: Must use the incubating qualifier
>>> On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 9:53 AM, drew jensen <drewjensen.inbox<>
>> @ <> <>>
>>>> On Sat, 2012-06-23 at 09:51 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 9:48 AM, drew <drew@ <>
>> <>> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 2012-06-23 at 08:52 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Rob Weir <robweir<>
>> @ <> <>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 5:58 AM, Ross Gardler
>>>>>>>> <rgardler <>@<>
>> <>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> It has been pointed out on the general list that AOO
is not
>> always using
>>>>>>>>> the incubating qualifier. For example recent blog posts
>> include it.
>>>>>>>> It is right there, first thing on the page, in a very large
>> for
>>>>>>>> every blog post:  "Apache OpenOffice (incubating)"
>>>>>>> E.g, :  https://<>
>> /OOo/entry/5_million_downloads_of_apache<>
>>>>>>> Note the <title> of the page says "Apache OpenOffice (incubating)".
>>>>>>> Ditto for the largest (and first) header on the page.
>>>>>>> Looking at the general list, it sounds like NIck's issue was
>> blog
>>>>>>> aggregators, such as used by Apache for generating content on
>> home
>>>>>>> page are not picking up on this.
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> Maybe, I just read the incubator list also I think Nick is saying
>>>>>> _any_ time the phrase Apache OpenOffice is used it must have the
>>>>>> incubating included, not just in the title.
>>>>> But that's not the policy.  The policy is that it must be called out
>>>>> as incubating at first mention in the document.
>>>> That's what I thought also - I'm saying how it reads to me, that's all.
>>> Maybe the key is to realize that when we publish a blog post, we
>>> publish two things:
>>> 1) A web page, which does IMHO have the correct incubation notices on it.
>>> 2) An Atom feed that will be used by websites and services outside of
>>> our immediate control, and which will not bring along the full page
>>> context from the blog.
>>> On the second one, I think the remedy might be get the incubation
>>> notice into the post ("entry") titles.  It may be possible to do this
>>> automatically (per my previous post), but it could be done manually as
>>> well.
>>> -Rob
>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>> //drew
>>>>>> <snip>
> .

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