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From Andrew Rist <andrew.r...@oracle.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Rules of voting for new committers and PPMC members
Date Mon, 04 Jun 2012 18:13:12 GMT


On 6/3/2012 6:28 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 3, 2012, at 5:18 PM, Kay Schenk<kay.schenk@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>>
>> On 06/03/2012 11:48 AM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
>>> FWIW,
>>>
>>> The Foundation Roles are explained here:
>>>
>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles
>> yes, this is standard ASF policy.
>>
>> My question/concern at this point would be --
>>
>> how well do we think this works for Apache OpenOffice?
> The PPMC has had the practice of making Committers into PPMC members on the same VOTE.
This is the practice for some Apache projects, but not all. I think that from now on this
project should always have separate votes as a matter of policy.
+1
>
> What do others think?
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
>
>>> Pretty much in line to what you are thinking.
>>>
>>> Pedro.
>>>
>>> --- Dom 3/6/12, Yong Lin Ma<mayongl@gmail.com>   ha scritto:
>>>
>>>> This was a discussion about rules of
>>>> voting for new committer and PPMC
>>>> member. We think it is more appropriate to let all
>>>> contributors get
>>>> involved in this. So I moved the discussion to ooo-dev.
>>>>
>>>> General process about voting in a new committer and PPMC
>>>> member is here
>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html
>>>>
>>>> By far the practice is most candidates were voted for
>>>> committer and
>>>> PPMC member at the same time.
>>>> And no concreate critrial defined in public for AOO.
>>>>
>>>> Your comments are welcomed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A comment from Rob:
>>>>
>>>>> If it were entirely up to me I'd have it be like:
>>>>> 1) Contributor -- anyone who contributes to the project,
>>>> mailing list
>>>> discussions, patches, translations, bug reports, doc,
>>>> support.� This
>>>> comes in all flavors and sizes.� We need to do a better
>>>> job giving
>>>> them credit and acknowledging their contributions.� If
>>>> the feeling is
>>>> that someone is not valued unless they are voted in as a
>>>> PPMC member,
>>>> then we're doing something wrong.
>>>>
>>>>> 2) Committer -- The threshold question:� Do we
>>>> trust their judgement
>>>> with respect to the area of their contributions?� The
>>>> move from
>>>> contributor to committer is a move from RTC (patches must be
>>>> reviewed)
>>>> to CTR.� So we really need to have a sense that they
>>>> are doing quality
>>>> work.� Committers also have veto rights on all of our
>>>> commits.� So we
>>>> need to trust their judgement.
>>>>
>>>>> 3) PMC member -- The threshold question:� Do they
>>>> understand The
>>>> Apache Way and our community-based decision making? On
>>>> average are
>>>> they solving more community problems than they are
>>>> causing?� Are they
>>>> helping others in the community succeed?� When we
>>>> graduate, and our
>>>> Mentors move on to other podlings, the PMC collectively
>>>> needs to
>>>> mentor new members to the project.� So I think the PMC
>>>> is more about
>>>> trusting their community skills rather than their technical
>>>> skills.
>>>>
>>>>> It might be possible for someone to qualify for 2 and 3
>>>> at the same
>>>> time.� But probably not in every case.
>>>>
>>>>> Note:� This is not how we have operated
>>>> previously.� I think there was
>>>> an bootstrapping issue where we needed to have a PPMC
>>>> suitably large
>>>> and diverse to provide balance.� We also obviously
>>>> started with a PPMC
>>>> consisting of people who did not fully understand
>>>> Apache.� That is the
>>>> nature of Incubation.� But I don't think this approach
>>>> is necessarily
>>>> something we should continue with a year later, as we
>>>> approach
>>>> graduation.
>>>>
>> -- 
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> MzK
>>
>> "So let it rock, let it roll
>> Let the bible belt come and save my soul
>> Hold on to sixteen as long as you can
>> Changes come around real soon make us woman and men."
>>           -- "Jack and Diane", John Mellencamp

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Andrew Rist | Interoperability Architect
OracleCorporate Architecture Group
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