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From drew <d...@baseanswers.com>
Subject Re: [Proposal] Guidelines for list conduct policy
Date Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:42:49 GMT
On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 16:21 -0700, Kay Schenk wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 3:33 PM, drew <drew@baseanswers.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 00:14 +0200, RGB ES wrote:
> > > 2012/6/20 drew jensen <drewjensen.inbox@gmail.com>:
> > > >>
> > > >> List Conduct Policy
> > > >>
> > > >>    1.
> > > >>    What Happens on the list, stays on the list:
> > > >>    Anything you read in the private list is by default a private PPMC
> > > >>    affair and not to be spoken of, or copied to, other people who
are
> > not in
> > > >>    the PPMC.  If you think about it, most topic threads probably
> > should
> > > >> be in
> > > >>    the public lists, except choosing committers and PPMC members,
and
> > a very
> > > >>    few other topics.
> > > >>    In fact, all email lists or email conversations have this aspect
of
> > > >>    privacy. Even if there are 23000 subscribers on the list, it is
> > assumed
> > > >>    that privacy will be maintained and a list member's name and
> > location
> > > >> will
> > > >>    not be disclosed in some public venue where personal privacy is
not
> > > >> expected,
> > > >>    such as published in a newspaper or some other.
> > > >
> > > > hi,
> > > >
> > > > I would disagree with that last statement completely - a public list is
> > > > just that, public, and there should be absolutely no expectation of
> > > > privacy whatsoever. To pretend otherwise is simply to lie to those who
> > > > would use the list.
> > > >
> > > > //drew
> > >
> > > Point one refers to the private lists, I think.
> > >
> > > Maybe add a "point zero" with an introduction to the mailing lists, as
> > > Ross asked? Not a detailed introduction, just to say most lists are
> > > public but one is private. Then the "code of conduct" can be separated
> > > on a "general part" that apply to all lists and a second part with
> > > additional rules (for instance, the privacy one) for the private list.
> > >
> > > Ricardo
> > >
> >
> > OK if that is really just about private lists, but the last sentence
> > read to me as if it was broader.
> >
> > Anyway - to be honest I find the whole subject rather silly. Does anyone
> > really need to be told that what happens on a private list is by
> > definition to be held in confidence?
> >
> > //drew
> >
> >
> >
> Well, Drew, I think this is why this whole discussion started. Most of us
> would think the answer to your question is "no", but, well, apparently
> there was some looser interpretation that some felt needed  clarification.

Not at all - someone violated that trust, everyone knew it was wrong,
there didn't need to be rules written for folks to know that.

But that is just my opinion of course.

> 
> Anyway, Wolf, this is really good. I think this would be better posted as
> just a link on the project site,  http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/,
> under the Mailing Lists link, and give more clarification on item #1 that
> this most importantly applies to private mailing lists. Drew's right that
> we don't want to mislead people to think anything else is private.
> 
> I think maybe it's a bit lengthy to add to a "welcome" message to list
> subscribers.
> 
> 
> 



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