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From "Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamil...@acm.org>
Subject RE: 2012-06-05 Status: PPMC and Committer Roster
Date Wed, 06 Jun 2012 21:11:05 GMT
To clarify a little:

The Pending=PPMC? status only applies to committers who were also eligible for the PPMC and
have not taken the one necessary step to be established: subscription to ooo-private.  

So far, this applies only to those who did establish themselves as committers but did nothing
about PPMC and are silent on the matter.  So there's no paperwork (e.g., an iCLA) needed or
anything like that.

A simple procedure the PMC can work up is addition of a time-limit on new committer and new
PPMC invitations.  I shall bow to the wisdom of the project on that one.

  - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir@apache.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 10:05
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: 2012-06-05 Status: PPMC and Committer Roster

On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
<dennis.hamilton@acm.org> wrote:
> @Dave,
>
> I see no reason to fuss over the PPMC? at this point.
>
> With the preparation for graduation, the PPMC will be reviewed and an appropriate PMC
constituted.
>
> I think any concern about dangling PPMC? and absent PPMC members can be resolved at that
point.
>

Right... but.

As a TLP this scenario still repeats itself - those who are invited to
be committers and/org PMC members, and in some cases they don't
complete the necessary paper work to get on board.   So even as a TLP
we should probably have an understanding of what we do in that
situation, how long we wait, etc.

Of course, we don't need to decide this today.

-Rob

>  - Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2wave@comcast.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 05:54
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: 2012-06-05 Status: PPMC and Committer Roster
>
>
> On Jun 6, 2012, at 12:25 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>
>> @Dave,
>>
>> The people in Pending=PPMC? state are those eligible who have not established themselves
as PPMC members.  Some are initial committers (all of whom are eligible) and some are those
that offered PPMC membership to along with their invitation to be committers.
>
> 17 is a large number.
>
> At this point if an Initial Committer has yet to join the PPMC we should conclude that
they are not interested. I don't think that these should remain open questions. If individuals
have become committers, but N months later they have not joined the PPMC then we need to assume
that they are not interested. I'm not sure what a reasonable N should be, but I think that
there has to be a time limit that is on the scale of months or weeks and not a whole year.
>
>>
>> Those committers who have left the PPMC, who declined to be on the PPMC, or who were
not eligible to be on the PPMC do not have Pending=PPMC?
>
> Good.
>
>>
>> Members of the PPMC can determine the specific cases by examining the roster spreadsheet
in the PPMC-private SVN subtree.  (Commit messages of updates there appear on the ooo-private
list.)
>
> Sure, and you are doing a wonderful job!
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
>>
>> - Dennis
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2wave@comcast.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 21:42
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: 2012-06-05 Status: PPMC and Committer Roster
>>
>> Hi Dennis,
>>
>> Thanks for this. I have some questions.
>>
>> How long are people left in the PPMC? state? To me that ought to expire like was
done for Initial Committers. Are you including those who were only offered Committer status?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>> On Jun 5, 2012, at 8:05 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> As of the end of day, 2012-06-05, the Apache OpenOffice podling has
>>> 95 committers, with 75 on the PPMC.
>>>
>>> Since the previous, 2012-02-01 report, there is an increase of
>>> 10 committers and 8 PPMC members.
>>>
>>> There are two invitations outstanding and the establishment of two
>>> other committers is in progress.
>>>
>>> - Dennis
>>>
>>>  for the Apache OpenOffice PPMC
>>>
>>> CURRENT PPMC AND COMMITTER STATUS
>>>
>>> Who's on Board:  Tally of Current Committers and PPMC
>>>
>>>  1 champion
>>>  5 mentor
>>>  1 mentor/committer (player coach?)
>>> 75 PPMC (all currently committers and not counted below)
>>> 19 committer (includes any in PPMC? status below)
>>>  6 other (ASF Member observers, etc.)
>>> 107 TOTAL = pending 'PPMC?' + 'complete' + 'authz' below
>>>
>>> Pending Actions - what the PPMC is working on getting flat
>>>
>>>  0 invite (committer/PPMC invitations pending)
>>>  2 accepted? (waiting for acceptance and next steps)
>>>  0 iCLA? (waiting for iCLA)
>>>  0 choose ID (pending invitation to choose ID)
>>>  0 ID chosen? (waiting for choice of ID)
>>>  2 ID pending (ID and account creation pending)
>>>  3 authz (awaiting completion of ooo authorization)
>>> 17 PPMC? (waiting for follow-up joining of PPMC)
>>> 87 complete (nothing further required)
>>> 30 other (some special completion cases, declined, etc.)
>>> 141 TOTAL
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orcmid@apache.org]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 08:39
>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: 2012-02-01 PPMC Status: End of Initial Committer Establishment
>>>
>>> As of the end of day, 2012-01-31, the Apache OpenOffice podling has 85
>>> committers, with 67 on the PPMC.
>>>
>>> Since the previous, 2011-11-17, report there is an increase of 4 committers
>>> and 9 PPMC members.
>>>
>>> There are no outstanding iCLAs for initial committers and there are no
>>> remaining eligible initial committers who have not established themselves.
>>>
>>>
>>> [ ... ]
>>
>


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