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Subject: Re: [RELEASE] new DL test...needs review and comments,
 and probably correction
From: Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com>
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org, Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
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On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>wrote:

> Kay- I've setup a new script for you to use for
> Openoffice downloads from Apache mirrors- simply
> replace "closer.cgi" with "aoo-closer.cgi" in your
> paths.  Please don't forget this or users could
> be directed to mirrors which have opted out of
> carrying AOO releases.
>
>
>
>
Joe -- I will take a look, and thanks a MILLION! hmmm...interesting comment
as well.


>
> >________________________________
> > From: Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com>
> >To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 7:43 PM
> >Subject: Re: [RELEASE] new DL test...needs review and comments, and
> probably correction
> >
> >Regina--
> >
> >Thanks for all this work. Please see comments inline below...
> >
> >On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Regina Henschel <rb.henschel@t-online.de
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> my test results are below, all on German WinXP Home, SP3.
> >>
> >> kind regards
> >> Regina
> >>
> >> Marcus (OOo) schrieb:
> >>
> >>  Am 04/30/2012 11:21 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 04/30/2012 11:37 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Am 04/30/2012 04:53 AM, schrieb Kay Schenk:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Kay Schenk<kay.schenk@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 04/27/2012 01:46 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Andrea Pescetti<
> pescetti@apache.org
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  Kay Schenk wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Please take a look at and give feedback on a test page for the
> new
> >>>>>>>>>> /download/index.html page at:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> http://www.openoffice.org/****download/test/index_new_dl.****html<
> http://www.openoffice.org/**download/test/index_new_dl.**html>
> >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.openoffice.**org/download/test/index_new_**dl.html<
> http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html>
> >>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, it's a bit strange with lots of nonsense at the top that I
> >>>>>>>>>> wanted
> >>>>>>>>>> you to see, but will of course go away in production.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The page is nice, but it's the concept that leaves me dubious.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> We have another thread
> >>>>>>>>> http://comments.gmane.org/****gmane.comp.apache.incubator.**<
> http://comments.gmane.org/**gmane.comp.apache.incubator.**>
> >>>>>>>>> ooo.devel/16219<http://**comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.**
> >>>>>>>>> apache.incubator.ooo.devel/**16219<
> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.ooo.devel/16219>
> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> where there seems to be consensus towards a solution that:
> >>>>>>>>> 1) Uses SF (and possibly Apache) for the web-based downloads
> >>>>>>>>> 2) Does not phase out MirrorBrain, and uses it for the updates
> >>>>>>>>> (i.e.,
> >>>>>>>>> downloads initiated by OpenOffice with the "Look for updates"
> >>>>>>>>> function)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  That's what I understand as well.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> oh -- OK. I thought we were going to use MirrorBrain for 3.3 DLs as
> >>>>>>> well
> >>>>>>> -- i.e. what Marcus will be working on. I know right now, we're
> using
> >>>>>>> SourceForge for that though.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  The "possibly Apache" in 1) is due to the fact that I haven't
> >>>>>>>> understood
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> yet
> >>>>>>>>> what technology Apache will be using and if Apache will
> distribute
> >>>>>>>>> only
> >>>>>>>>> sources or binaries too (it's obvious that we as a project will
> >>>>>>>>> release
> >>>>>>>>> sources and binaries, but I'm not 100% sure that Apache wants to
> put
> >>>>>>>>> binaries on its mirrors too: I think so).
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  Well it's not all that complicated actually. Take a look at the
> >>>>>>> security
> >>>>>>> patch info page...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/****security/cves/CVE-2012-0037.****html
> <http://www.openoffice.org/**security/cves/CVE-2012-0037.**html>
> >>>>>>> <http://www.openoffice.**org/security/cves/CVE-2012-**0037.html<
> http://www.openoffice.org/security/cves/CVE-2012-0037.html>
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> and you can see what the link looks like.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Actual source/binaries are, for us, put in:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://www.apache.org/dist/****incubator/ooo/<
> http://www.apache.org/dist/**incubator/ooo/>
> >>>>>>> <http://www.**apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/<
> http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/>
> >>>>>>> **>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This said, you could be right in having issues tracking down
> problems.
> >>>>>>> Right now, the SF setup is more "user friendly" in my opinion. I
> >>>>>>> thought we
> >>>>>>> were *required* to use Apache for downloads, but maybe we've
> gotten a
> >>>>>>> dispensation for this release. Though I didn't think is was 100%
> >>>>>>> someplace
> >>>>>>> else. I admit I haven't kept up as much as I should have though.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The other issue is how will it LOOK to users -- one moment they may
> >>>>>>> be one
> >>>>>>> place; if they happen to do a shift-reload, they may go someplace
> >>>>>>> else with
> >>>>>>> an entirely different look and feel.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  Fact is, we should avoid the random selection as much as possible,
> >>>>>>>>> mainly to
> >>>>>>>>> be able to quickly identify problems, and you will see details in
> >>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>> thread. The cleaner separation we can get, the better.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  So how about something very simple:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 1) AOO 3.4 downloads use SourceForge by default from the
> >>>>>>>> /download/index.html page. Just like they are doing today.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This WOULD make things a lot simpler.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  But we also have a links there that point to Apache mirrors for:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> a) Hashes and detached signatures
> >>>>>>>> b) source distribution
> >>>>>>>> c) a link to the full release tree
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Well, SF will need to implement in their sidebar or the main page
> for
> >>>>>>> openoffice.org they have, right?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Anyway, good conversation.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  In other words, no rolling the dice, noting fancy. 100% of normal
> >>>>>>>> users will download from SF.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 2) When we enable the automated updates, in a week or two, then we
> >>>>>>>> decide what we want to do. Maybe we do it via SF. Maybe
> MirrorBrain.
> >>>>>>>> Maybe a mix,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On the other side, release time is approaching and I can only hope
> >>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> talks between Peter Poeml (MirrorBrain author) and Apache Infra,
> >>>>>>>>> that had
> >>>>>>>>> started on this list, are progressing now.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  I think it is too late for any of those talks to influence how
> we
> >>>>>>>> deal
> >>>>>>>> with AOO 3.4 initial downloads. But maybe the update downloads in
> a
> >>>>>>>> couple of weeks.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -Rob
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Andrea.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  --
> >>>>>>>
> ------------------------------****----------------------------**--**
> >>>>>>> ------------
> >>>>>>> MzK
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
> >>>>>>> And life has a funny way of helping you out
> >>>>>>> Helping you out."
> >>>>>>> -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ok, I am hoping this will be about the last, final review on the new
> >>>>>> download/index.html --
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> prototype at:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://ooo-site.staging.**
> apache.org/download/test/**index_new_dl.html<
> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This assumes SourceForge ONLY, and that the 3.4 pre-built client
> packs
> >>>>>> will be in the hiearchy as the 3.3 is -- stable, etc.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Naturally NONE of the links will work until something gets out there
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> there is a TON of alerts which I will of course eventually comment
> out.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I've tested the following:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1.
> >>>>> Linux with Firefox --> Linux x86-64 RPM de --> the text in the
> pop-ups
> >>>>> makes sense --> OK
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2.
> >>>>> Windows XP with MSIE --> error --> the detailed error message says:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Line: 104
> >>>>> Char: 1
> >>>>> Error: Identifier, string or number expected
> >>>>> Code: 0
> >>>>> URL: http://ooo-site.staging.**apache.org/download/test/**
> >>>>> index_new_dl.html<
> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Line: 286
> >>>>> Char: 2
> >>>>> Error: 'languages' is not defined
> >>>>> Code: 0
> >>>>> URL: http://ooo-site.staging.**apache.org/download/test/**
> >>>>> index_new_dl.html<
> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --> finally only a blue box for the extensions
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> hmmm...well I shouldn't have changed anything that caused this, but
> >>>> definitely NOT good. OK, thanks. What are you showing for your
> >>>> "language" -- i.e. according to your UA string?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Good that you've asked. I remember that we have this webpage:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.openoffice.org/**download/test/analyze.html<
> http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/analyze.html>
> >>>
> >>> So, I've updated it a bit and nowI get the following browser data:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> window.location.href http://ooo-site.apache.org/**
> >>> download/test/analyze.html<
> http://ooo-site.apache.org/download/test/analyze.html>
> >>> navigator.platform Linux x86_64
> >>> navigator.platform.**toLowerCase() linux x86_64
> >>> navigator.userAgent Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:2.0.1)
> >>> Gecko/20100101 Firefox/4.0.1
> >>> navigator.userAgent.**toLowerCase() mozilla/5.0 (x11; linux x86_64;
> >>> rv:2.0.1) gecko/20100101 firefox/4.0.1
> >>> navigator.language de-DE
> >>> navigator.userLanguage undefined
> >>> navigator.systemLanguage undefined
> >>> navigator.javaEnabled() Yes
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> window.location.href http://www.openoffice.org/**
> >>> download/test/analyze.html<
> http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/analyze.html>
> >>> navigator.platform Win32
> >>> navigator.platform.**toLowerCase() win32
> >>> navigator.userAgent Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1;
> >>> SV1)
> >>> navigator.userAgent.**toLowerCase() mozilla/4.0 (compatible; msie 6.0;
> >>> windows nt 5.1; sv1)
> >>> navigator.language undefined
> >>> navigator.userLanguage de
> >>> navigator.systemLanguage de
> >>> navigator.javaEnabled() Yes
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> It seems that on Linux the "navigator.language" is set. On Windows this
> >>> is not set but the "navigator.userLanguage" and
> >>> "navigator.systemLanguage". All 3 are handled in "download.js" (or in
> >>> your new "download_new_dl.js").
> >>>
> >>> Maybe it's helpful to output some debug messages around this area?
> >>>
> >>> @All:
> >>> Can others please test on Windows with MSIE and Firefox? I really hope
> >>> it's just my Windows XP (in a Virtualbox VM).
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >> With Opera 11.62
> >> =============================
> >>
> >> Calling http://ooo-site.staging.**apache.org/download/test/**
> >> index_new_dl.html<
> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html>
> >>
> >> The green download box is missing totally.
> >>
> >> Calling http://www.openoffice.org/**download/test/analyze.html<
> http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/analyze.html>
> >> results in
> >>
> >> navigator.platform: Win32
> >> navigator.UserAgent: Opera/9.80 (Windows NT 5.1; U; de) Presto/2.10.229
> >> Version/11.62
> >> navigator.UserAgent lower case: opera/9.80 (windows nt 5.1; u; de)
> >> presto/2.10.229 version/11.62
> >> navigator.UserAgent lower case: -1
> >> getLink(): undefined
> >> getPlatform(): Windows
> >> getLanguage(): German
> >>
> >>
> >> window.location.href    http://www.openoffice.org/**
> >> download/test/analyze.html<
> http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/analyze.html>
> >> navigator.platform      Win32
> >> navigator.platform.**toLowerCase()        win32
> >> navigator.userAgent     Opera/9.80 (Windows NT 5.1; U; de)
> Presto/2.10.229
> >> Version/11.62
> >> navigator.userAgent.**toLowerCase()       opera/9.80 (windows nt 5.1; u;
> >> de) presto/2.10.229 version/11.62
> >> navigator.language      de
> >> navigator.userLanguage  de
> >> navigator.systemLanguage        undefined
> >> navigator.javaEnabled() Yes
> >>
> >>
> >OK -- well this is NOT good, but what kind of results do you get with
> Opera
> >for:
> >
> >http://www.openoffice.org/download/legacy/
> >
> >same thing or ????
> >
> >Despite the fact that Opera is supposed to be the most W3 compliant
> >browser, I know folks have had issues with it...
> >
> >
> >with Windows Internet Explorer 8
> >> ==============================**==
> >> Calling http://ooo-site.staging.**apache.org/download/test/**
> >> index_new_dl.html<
> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html>
> >>
> >> All looks OK.
> >>
> >> Calling http://www.openoffice.org/**download/test/analyze.html<
> http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/analyze.html>
> >> results in
> >>
> >> navigator.platform: Win32
> >> navigator.UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1;
> >> Trident/4.0; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR
> 3.0.4506.2152;
> >> .NET CLR 3.5.30729; InfoPath.2; BRI/2; .NET4.0C; .NET4.0E;
> >> OfficeLiveConnector.1.5; OfficeLivePatch.1.3; Microsoft.com Optimized
> IE8)
> >> navigator.UserAgent lower case: mozilla/4.0 (compatible; msie 7.0;
> windows
> >> nt 5.1; trident/4.0; .net clr 2.0.50727; .net clr 1.1.4322; .net clr
> >> 3.0.4506.2152; .net clr 3.5.30729; infopath.2; bri/2; .net4.0c;
> .net4.0e;
> >> officeliveconnector.1.5; officelivepatch.1.3; microsoft.com optimized
> ie8)
> >> navigator.UserAgent lower case: -1
> >> getLink(): undefined
> >> getPlatform(): Windows
> >> getLanguage(): German
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> window.location.href  http://www.openoffice.org/**
> >> download/test/analyze.html<
> http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/analyze.html>
> >> navigator.platform  Win32
> >> navigator.platform.**toLowerCase()  win32
> >> navigator.userAgent  Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1;
> >> Trident/4.0; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR
> 3.0.4506.2152;
> >> .NET CLR 3.5.30729; InfoPath.2; BRI/2; .NET4.0C; .NET4.0E;
> >> OfficeLiveConnector.1.5; OfficeLivePatch.1.3; Microsoft.com Optimized
> IE8)
> >> navigator.userAgent.**toLowerCase() mozilla/4.0 (compatible; msie 7.0;
> >> windows nt 5.1; trident/4.0; .net clr 2.0.50727; .net clr 1.1.4322; .net
> >> clr 3.0.4506.2152; .net clr 3.5.30729; infopath.2; bri/2; .net4.0c;
> >> .net4.0e; officeliveconnector.1.5; officelivepatch.1.3;
> microsoft.comoptimized ie8)
> >>
> >> navigator.language  undefined
> >> navigator.userLanguage  de
> >> navigator.systemLanguage de
> >> navigator.javaEnabled() Yes
> >>
> >> with Seamonkey 2.9
> >> ==================
> >>
> >> All looks OK.
> >> Calling http://www.openoffice.org/**download/test/analyze.html<
> http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/analyze.html>
> >> results in
> >>
> >> navigator.platform: Win32
> >> navigator.UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0)
> Gecko/20120422
> >> Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9
> >> navigator.UserAgent lower case: mozilla/5.0 (windows nt 5.1; rv:12.0)
> >> gecko/20120422 firefox/12.0 seamonkey/2.9
> >> navigator.UserAgent lower case: -1
> >> getLink(): undefined
> >> getPlatform(): Windows
> >> getLanguage(): German
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> window.location.href    http://www.openoffice.org/**
> >> download/test/analyze.html<
> http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/analyze.html>
> >> navigator.platform      Win32
> >> navigator.platform.**toLowerCase()        win32
> >> navigator.userAgent     Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0)
> >> Gecko/20120422 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9
> >> navigator.userAgent.**toLowerCase()       mozilla/5.0 (windows nt 5.1;
> >> rv:12.0) gecko/20120422 firefox/12.0 seamonkey/2.9
> >>
> >> navigator.language      de-DE
> >> navigator.userLanguage  undefined
> >> navigator.systemLanguage        undefined
> >> navigator.javaEnabled() Yes
> >>
> >>
> >OK, thanks again. I did discover and correct a rather odd bug that was
> >affecting my simulated UA testing. Hopefully I can finish up with this
> >tomorrow if nothing else comes up.
> >
> >
> >
> >--
>
> >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >MzK
> >
> >"Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
> >And life has a funny way of helping you out
> >Helping you out."
> >                            -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette
> >
> >
> >
>


-- 
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MzK

"Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
 And life has a funny way of helping you out
 Helping you out."
                            -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette

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