Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BEA7A979E for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 01:44:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 20710 invoked by uid 500); 8 May 2012 01:44:33 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 20462 invoked by uid 500); 8 May 2012 01:44:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 20256 invoked by uid 99); 8 May 2012 01:44:27 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 08 May 2012 01:44:27 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_REPLY,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of kevingrignon.oo@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.47 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.160.47] (HELO mail-pb0-f47.google.com) (209.85.160.47) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 08 May 2012 01:44:19 +0000 Received: by pbbrq2 with SMTP id rq2so6195826pbb.6 for ; Mon, 07 May 2012 18:43:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=i/j5T26wu1IycSQFa1xHAtKWQyABza79ciEIGsUtV/g=; b=mUhy/FsTew34+m6XvH3DfSsDKPl5Ak750OaFJmkkr8fHgpi07qZ/Z0QArmxUikIM2E 3XTbN463Z/2xcScsU6QuR/oZsUj1VmsKT17IwrDLOQsySLhWYW0haZhSxQDNUm5v87kd AX97F+BiKu35p85FRSPht3L5MiVED39n3TwLJ5Rpuok1UUPfWm1cJsgbTQ+szKBsy2ii aubRDVco8XRWm505+tNkQHHMRrvAEp2JjlNtewpdGxmPapj56C/H/486Xhxb7fYcQHv9 ++7R7faUZg1kJj59eDKAAZkDOj6TUM0+n8B4xZekc/gsZdUj/4RegNtdtq9zNroenp4O Qeug== Received: by 10.68.200.68 with SMTP id jq4mr402509pbc.42.1336441439317; Mon, 07 May 2012 18:43:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.31.157.170] ([112.64.189.104]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u5sm562203pbu.76.2012.05.07.18.43.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 May 2012 18:43:58 -0700 (PDT) References: <4F9D4D2B.2010000@wtnet.de> <4F9D6595.4070007@gmail.com> <4FA84827.8050206@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Message-Id: <4D19CE7F-ED29-4300-A0BD-925CF23FD38D@gmail.com> Cc: "ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) From: Kevin Grignon Subject: Re: After AOO 3.4? Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 09:40:09 +0800 To: "ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org" X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Understanding who does what with our product is very important to defining a= product direction that resonates with our users.=20 The user experience team is about to refresh the UX work products on the wik= i. An updated set of user roles/personas is our first step. Existing data ca= n get us started, then we need to incorporate recent behavior shifts, includ= ing integrated social and mobile.=20 Albino, Louis, Ricardo, would you like to contribute to these user definitio= ns.=20 Regards, Kevin On May 8, 2012, at 8:07 AM, Louis Su=C3=A1rez-Potts wrote= : > Hi >=20 > On Monday, 7 May 2012, RGB ES wrote: >=20 >> 2012/5/8 Louis Su=C3=A1rez-Potts >: >>> Hi, >>>=20 >>> RGB ES wrote: >>>> 2012/5/5 Albino Biasutti Neto >: >>>>> Hi. >>>>>=20 >>>>> We have to focus on end users, and seek feedback to research, created >>>>> polls, and others. >>>>>=20 >>>>> We need to get statistics AOO. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Best, >>>>> Albino >>>>=20 >>>> Before that, we need to define who our end users are. We need a set of >>>> "ideal users" with clear needs: students who do their homework, >>>> independent writers that use on-line publishing systems, small >>>> companies that need to create an invoice or maintain a database of >>>> supplies... >>>=20 >>> I'm curious... are you dismissing the vast numbers who were using OOo? >> Briefly, more than 95 percent of downloads from the mirrors were Windows >> users. But major deployments were almost entirely in the public sector. >> Some of the more obvious were listed here [0], but the page is out of dat= e. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> All those groups have different needs, and the right answer for one >>>> group could be a problem for the others. >>>=20 >>> I think that, as was suggested, an effective modus operandi is to work >> with the NL groups. For instance, there might be public sector or private= >> needs for accessibility features. We here may not have the people to do >> that but we (an extended we at this point) can work with those wanting it= >> to find the developers.... >>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> louis >>>=20 >>> [0] >> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Major_OpenOffice.org_Deployments= >>>>=20 >>>> Regards >>>> Ricardo >>=20 >> Sorry, but I cannot understand your question. I'm not dismissing >> anything. I just commented that a home user is not the same than a >> professional writer, and that both groups have different needs that >> ask for different solutions. Building usage statistics without >> considering the differences between users can lead to wrong >> conclusions: that's all. >>=20 >> Maybe is for my professional background, but as physicists I know that >> before doing research (and analysing user statistics is research) you >> need a "model" of what you are looking for: on this case, a set of >> "ideal users" with a lists of needs and problems. Only then you will >> be able to find solutions. >>=20 >> Regards >> Ricardo >>=20 > Well, as a historian I quite agree with you. My point was that we already > have a lot of data, as that URL hints. > Louis >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Sent from Gmail Mobile