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Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 09:35:35 -0400
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On Mon, 2012-05-07 at 08:16 +0200, Juergen Schmidt wrote:
> On Monday, 7. May 2012 at 03:06, Kay Schenk wrote:
> > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
> > > > > <dennis.hamilton@acm.org> wrote:
> > > > > > +1
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I agree. It looks like doing a reset and then rebuilding this
> > > structure
> > > > > in a way that is appropriate for Apache OpenOffice is the best way
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > forward.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > +1
> > > > > 
> > > > > Right now we have no guarantees that these distributors are actually
> > > > > distributing current versions of OpenOffice, older versions with
> > > > > security issues, or even modified versions of OpenOffice with adware
> > > > > inserted. We see things like this happening all over the web today.
> > > > > So I'd be very careful on how we associate the project with
> > > > > initiatives like this. It is one thing if a PMC member or someone
> > > > > known to us wants to distribute CD's at a conference. It is another
> > > > > thing for us to put up free advertising for unknown parties to sell
> > > > > what may or may not be real copies of OpenOffice.
> > > > > 
> > > > > What we could do to protect our users is something like this:
> > > > > 
> > > > > -- Define a new logo, perhaps based on the project logo, for CD
> > > > > distributors
> > > > > 
> > > > > -- Put the logo up on a webpage page and allow anyone to use the logo,
> > > > > but only if it is used on a CD containing a release of OpenOffice and
> > > > > nothing but OpenOffice.
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Well there is a rather prominent disclaimer on the page --
> > > > 
> > > > *Note: OpenOffice.org makes no claims about the contents of any CD-ROM
> > > you
> > > > may purchase from a distributor listed here. We list these only as a
> > > > courtesy to the community. Should you find old or invalid links, please
> > > > report them to the page maintainer: Alex Fisher <cdrom@openoffice.org>
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Yes. But at that point I'm not sure we're really helping our users.
> > > If they want to pay money to get a CD of uncertain quality and
> > > contents, a simple search of Google will give them plenty of
> > > opportunities to take that risk, without this project getting
> > > involved. Maybe this wasn't the case 12 years ago.
> > > 
> > > Of course, if we can find a way to do the user a real service and have
> > > a way of ensuring they are getting a genuine copy of OpenOffice, then
> > > let's do it.
> > > 
> > > Otherwise, imagine the parallel:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 1) We set up a page for 3rd parties to request that we add a link for
> > > downloading OpenOffice
> > > 
> > > 2) We don't verify that they actually offer genuine AOO.
> > > 
> > > 3) We allow them to use the official project logo
> > > 
> > > 4) We don't even check to see if they are allowing free downloads
> > > 
> > > 5) So we end up with a page full of links to eBay ads and the various
> > > scams that are already out there pretending to be OpenOffice download
> > > sites
> > > 
> > > You can see what a mess that would be if we allowed this for 3rd party
> > > download sites, if we just added links on request. A disclaimer would
> > > not really help the users.
> > > 
> > > Of course, we would never do something like that with download links.
> > > But I'm not sure that just changing the media to CD-Rom magically
> > > makes it better. It is still a swamp.
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > yes...so, a solution? ditch the page entirely? We can certainly do that...
> > 
> > 
> Maybe yes with a note that we are working on a reliable and working solution for the future. 
> I can think of a partner who we know and who simply produce it on demand.
> 

Hi Juergen 

Those damed folks where just clingers on anyway - I am sure you agree.

//drew