Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 633EF9975 for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 19:25:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 21698 invoked by uid 500); 20 May 2012 19:25:51 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 21641 invoked by uid 500); 20 May 2012 19:25:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 21633 invoked by uid 99); 20 May 2012 19:25:51 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 20 May 2012 19:25:51 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of dennis.hamilton@acm.org designates 216.119.133.2 as permitted sender) Received: from [216.119.133.2] (HELO a2s42.a2hosting.com) (216.119.133.2) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 20 May 2012 19:25:43 +0000 Received: from 97-126-115-227.tukw.qwest.net ([97.126.115.227] helo=Astraendo) by a2s42.a2hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SWBko-002k7m-3P for ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; Sun, 20 May 2012 15:25:22 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Dennis E. Hamilton" To: References: <1337352904.2746.27.camel@sybil-gnome> <4FB9391A.8020706@z2z.it> In-Reply-To: <4FB9391A.8020706@z2z.it> Subject: RE: Dealing with a large and diverse project - Native Languages and project teams Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 12:25:21 -0700 Organization: NuovoDoc Message-ID: <00f801cd36be$4cffa180$e6fee480$@acm.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIWZGdwwsnCg3jFCEzTC0ttVSAD3gKNwW66lixDFBA= Content-Language: en-us X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - a2s42.a2hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - incubator.apache.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - acm.org X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org I want to encourage all that you say here. I am not so confident that the openoffice.org approach (that is, what = Sun allowed and supported) is applicable here because the ASF as a = foundation must operate differently than a commercial enterprise. That can be a minor thing, once the guidelines are clear. Do you have suggestions on how affiliation with ASF and the Apache = OpenOffice project can be reconciled? Need there be any? If there is = coupling between an NL community and AOO, what arrangement do you = request? - Dennis -----Original Message----- From: Paolo Pozzan [mailto:paolo@z2z.it]=20 Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 11:34 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Dealing with a large and diverse project - Native Languages = and project teams [ ... ] Reading to all other messages in this thread, I think many missed the = point. The problem is not about what language to use, but how to manage the=20 to-be-volunteers which don't or wouldn't have the same skills as ours. Volunteers are a big marketing weapon; is like happy workers that freely = advertise the company they work for. OTOH rejected volunteers (even for=20 difficulty of access - e.g. language) will feel the final product less=20 theirs, so they will be less willing to marketing that. [ ... ] What I understood in my experience with italian volunteers is that=20 people love to contribute in a hassle-free maneer, this means that=20 someone else have to show them the way, letting them just do. I know=20 this may sound disappointing, but it is not a limit of freedom if=20 someone choose by his/her own to follow some rules. I think that it would be useful to write some basic guidelines for the=20 native language teams to know what to do and what not. Letting them know = it would eventually lead to the birth of local communities, where=20 "basic" contributors will eventually will go there. Maybe many of us have still in mind the old OpenOffice.org structure,=20 which worked fine for the language teams and to which we can consider=20 copying from. Paolo