Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4F6E0CC96 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 20:38:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 9953 invoked by uid 500); 18 May 2012 20:38:07 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 9724 invoked by uid 500); 18 May 2012 20:38:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 9716 invoked by uid 99); 18 May 2012 20:38:06 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 18 May 2012 20:38:06 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of dennis.hamilton@acm.org designates 216.119.133.2 as permitted sender) Received: from [216.119.133.2] (HELO a2s42.a2hosting.com) (216.119.133.2) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 18 May 2012 20:37:59 +0000 Received: from 97-126-115-227.tukw.qwest.net ([97.126.115.227] helo=Astraendo) by a2s42.a2hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SVTvd-001Tr7-TS for ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; Fri, 18 May 2012 16:37:38 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Dennis E. Hamilton" To: References: <1337352904.2746.27.camel@sybil-gnome> <1337354410.2746.41.camel@sybil-gnome> <1337356119.2746.48.camel@sybil-gnome> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Dealing with a large and diverse project - Native Languages and project teams Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 13:37:44 -0700 Organization: NuovoDoc Message-ID: <005401cd3536$14915f70$3db41e50$@acm.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 thread-index: AQIWZGdwwsnCg3jFCEzTC0ttVSAD3gHtIalGAkpwTV4Bd6q5SgKrFNjuAdRSUIACSbpNhgKWEx+qAh4uLo2VtDkUAA== Content-Language: en-us X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - a2s42.a2hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - incubator.apache.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - acm.org It seems to me that the volunteers can do what those volunteers wish to = do. As long as there is no contribution to materials and code under the = custody of the project, it doesn't matter. =20 So is something else wanted, such as identification with Apache = OpenOffice? Some sort of "official" designation? Then it is difficult = to avoid the need to fit into the governance and oversight requirements = of ASF and AOO. Perhaps an "Apache OpenOffice Partner" or "Supporter" = or "Affiliate" arrangement might be easier. Probably not. For those cases involving sites and materials that are under ASF = custody, ASF governance must be considered. To "have the keys" to = administration and the code base, it is necessary to submit bugs and = patches and establish a pattern of contribution first. And for those = who are so privileged, it seems to me that the English working language = requirement is part of the accountability. - Dennis =20 -----Original Message----- From: Paulo de Souza Lima [mailto:paulo.s.lima@varekai.org]=20 Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 12:37 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Dealing with a large and diverse project - Native Languages = and project teams [ ... ] > What do the volunteers want to do? [ ... ] They can help in spreading AOO, writing articles, helping user support, lectures, making AOO present in events (soon there will be FISL, and = other large events). All of those things have to be made in Brazil and in Portuguese. I thought the example we showed yesterday from that guy who will install AOO in tens of thousands machines for a govenment digital inclusion project should be enough. Most of brazilian volunteers have no programming skills, but there are = many other ways they can help. Including some existing ones like UX, wiki, = bug hunting, and so on. Just one example: Miss Fatima Conti is a teacher at Par=C3=A1 Federal University. She is a respectable figure in Brazilian = Open Source environment. She's more than 70 years old, she's not a = programmer, but many many users read her blog. She used to write articles for our = old BrOffice.org Magazine, but now she's helping to test AOO within her possibilities. She can do a lot more for AOO, in terms of marketing. But wait! We have no "marketing" yet. And she doesn't want to join a English mailing list because she has difficulties with this language. There are = a lot of other examples. Most of people who wish to help are phisicians, administrators (I am an administrator with some technical skills), = lawyers, teachers, account managers, and so on. [ ... ]