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From Juergen Schmidt <jogischm...@googlemail.com>
Subject Re: Who is Page Maintainer Now? http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/
Date Mon, 07 May 2012 06:16:57 GMT
On Monday, 7. May 2012 at 03:06, Kay Schenk wrote:
> On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
> > > > <dennis.hamilton@acm.org> wrote:
> > > > > +1
> > > > > 
> > > > > I agree. It looks like doing a reset and then rebuilding this
> > structure
> > > > in a way that is appropriate for Apache OpenOffice is the best way
> > > 
> > 
> > forward.
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > +1
> > > > 
> > > > Right now we have no guarantees that these distributors are actually
> > > > distributing current versions of OpenOffice, older versions with
> > > > security issues, or even modified versions of OpenOffice with adware
> > > > inserted. We see things like this happening all over the web today.
> > > > So I'd be very careful on how we associate the project with
> > > > initiatives like this. It is one thing if a PMC member or someone
> > > > known to us wants to distribute CD's at a conference. It is another
> > > > thing for us to put up free advertising for unknown parties to sell
> > > > what may or may not be real copies of OpenOffice.
> > > > 
> > > > What we could do to protect our users is something like this:
> > > > 
> > > > -- Define a new logo, perhaps based on the project logo, for CD
> > > > distributors
> > > > 
> > > > -- Put the logo up on a webpage page and allow anyone to use the logo,
> > > > but only if it is used on a CD containing a release of OpenOffice and
> > > > nothing but OpenOffice.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Well there is a rather prominent disclaimer on the page --
> > > 
> > > *Note: OpenOffice.org makes no claims about the contents of any CD-ROM
> > you
> > > may purchase from a distributor listed here. We list these only as a
> > > courtesy to the community. Should you find old or invalid links, please
> > > report them to the page maintainer: Alex Fisher <cdrom@openoffice.org>
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > Yes. But at that point I'm not sure we're really helping our users.
> > If they want to pay money to get a CD of uncertain quality and
> > contents, a simple search of Google will give them plenty of
> > opportunities to take that risk, without this project getting
> > involved. Maybe this wasn't the case 12 years ago.
> > 
> > Of course, if we can find a way to do the user a real service and have
> > a way of ensuring they are getting a genuine copy of OpenOffice, then
> > let's do it.
> > 
> > Otherwise, imagine the parallel:
> > 
> > 
> > 1) We set up a page for 3rd parties to request that we add a link for
> > downloading OpenOffice
> > 
> > 2) We don't verify that they actually offer genuine AOO.
> > 
> > 3) We allow them to use the official project logo
> > 
> > 4) We don't even check to see if they are allowing free downloads
> > 
> > 5) So we end up with a page full of links to eBay ads and the various
> > scams that are already out there pretending to be OpenOffice download
> > sites
> > 
> > You can see what a mess that would be if we allowed this for 3rd party
> > download sites, if we just added links on request. A disclaimer would
> > not really help the users.
> > 
> > Of course, we would never do something like that with download links.
> > But I'm not sure that just changing the media to CD-Rom magically
> > makes it better. It is still a swamp.
> > 
> 
> 
> yes...so, a solution? ditch the page entirely? We can certainly do that...
> 
> 
Maybe yes with a note that we are working on a reliable and working solution for the future.

I can think of a partner who we know and who simply produce it on demand.

Juergen 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > > We should probably make a minor change on this for now and replace
> > > OpenOffice.org with Apache OpenOffice , remove Alex, and point them to
> > > ooo-dev? As I'm making final adjustments to things I am finding many such
> > > items.
> > > *
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > This will disadvantage some NL groups who have been maintaining the
> > > > information for their region, though. So it needs to be a brief
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > disruption.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Andrea Pescetti has done some work on the page today. I suggest
> > > > consulting with him on a clean way forward.
> > > > > 
> > > > > - Dennis
> > > > > 
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: drew jensen [mailto:drewjensen.inbox@gmail.com]
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 10:48
> > > > > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: Who is Page Maintainer Now?
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/
> > > > > 
> > > > > [ ... ]
> > > > > 
> > > > > There are quite a few junk links on that page, for sure.
> > > > > At the moment no-one is actively working on a CD image.
> > > > > We don't have a 'community distributor' program, really - right -
I
> > > > > think it was a good idea and still is, but this group has to carve
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > out a
> > > > > little time to figure it out anew.
> > > > > 
> > > > > so - given the change in project, I really do think the best way
> > > > > forward is to just wipe that page clean, first - and then look at
what
> > > > > should go in it's pace.
> > > > > 
> > > > > My opinion on that anyway, and to re-emphasize - I think we want
> > > > > distributors and an information page such as this and I'll work with
> > > > > others to get it back, but I really think by Tuesday the links should
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > be
> > > > > e gone.
> > > > > 
> > > > > //drew
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > MzK
> > > 
> > > "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
> > > And life has a funny way of helping you out
> > > Helping you out."
> > > -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> MzK
> 
> "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
> And life has a funny way of helping you out
> Helping you out."
> -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette
> 
> 



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