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From Yong Lin Ma <mayo...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Starting the graduation process
Date Wed, 30 May 2012 01:28:05 GMT
My proposal is simple. Wait one or two months to see what we will get
for next release.

3.4.1 doesn't count to me. It is a must have when we get AOO 3.4 released.



On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 12:07 AM, Jürgen Schmidt
<jogischmidt@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On 5/29/12 5:42 PM, Yong Lin Ma wrote:
>>
>> We are close to starting the graduation process. But I think we need
>> give the project more time to demonstrate the ability to
>>
>> Create an Apache Release
>
>
> I think the project have shown that it is able to act as TLP and that the
> project is able to manage project relevant issues in the Apache way.
>
>
>> AOO 3.4 is an real achievement. But the major issue it solved are due
>> to legal concerns.  It has improvement in SVG just because we are
>> lucky to have Armin with us.
>> It is still early to say that the project is ready to get to next release.
>> We need at least
>> Close a couple of new feature cycles. Propose and discuss about new
>> features ->  spec review ->  design review ->  implementation ->  QE
sign
>> off
>> See a steady defect fix rate.
>
>
> Our next planned release 3.4.1 will be a bug fix release only. No big new
> features are intended or planned for this release. Only important bug fixes
> + new translations. So I don't see really your point here.
>
> Graduation means that the project is able to self manage all project
> relevant issues in a proper way that is aligned with the Apache rules and
> the Apache way.
>
>
>>
>>
>> Create an Open and Diverse community
>> We need more committers. There still no committer from C2SC.
>
>
> sure we need more committers and that will be a steady and continuously
> process in the future. But do you want define a number of say 150 committers
> as boundary for a potential graduation? Probably not because it means
> nothing. We have committers who are not longer active here in the project
> and graduation would also mean that we are able to clean up some things.
>
> C2SC people should participate actively in the project and should talk about
> the things they are doing that other people get aware of it. Nothing special
> here, saying I will do is not enough but doing it will change things over
> time ;-)
>
> The important message is that we are ready to manage the project in the
> Apache way.
>
> We should focus on things that are potentially relevant for graduation and
> Pedro have raised his concern about the category-b libraries that are valid
> and we have indeed postponed the decision after our first release. We should
> now either simply move them or should clarify if it is ok to keep them in
> the repo from a legal perspective to be simply save here to address Pedro's
> concern.
>
> But in general I would support Rob's idea to start the graduation process
> now and address all relevant issues.
>
> Juergen
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 2:10 AM, Rob Weir<robweir@apache.org>  wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd like to start the graduation process, with the aim of being a TLP
>>> in time for the 3.4.1 release.
>>>
>>> The IPMC has a "Guide to Successful Graduation" page with a lot of
>>> detail and advice:  http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
>>>
>>> The calendar here is especially useful:
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel
>>>
>>> It shows 4 steps:
>>>
>>> 1) a vote on ooo-dev (a community vote) on whether we want to graduate
>>> now
>>>
>>> 2) a discussion on ooo-dev leading to the draft of a charter for the new
>>> TLP
>>>
>>> 3) an IPMC vote on whether or not to recommend the podling for graduation
>>>
>>> 4) a vote by the ASF Board on a resolution creating the new TLP
>>>
>>> This thread is just a proposal.  It is not the actual vote called for
>>> in #1 above.  But I'd like to gauge current sentiment.  Are we all +1
>>> for going ahead?  If not, please list what pre-graduation tasks you
>>> believe need to be done first.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> -Rob
>
>

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