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From Rob Weir <>
Subject Re: Who is Page Maintainer Now?
Date Sun, 06 May 2012 22:49:09 GMT
On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Kay Schenk <> wrote:
> On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Rob Weir <> wrote:
>> On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
>> <> wrote:
>> > +1
>> >
>> > I agree.  It looks like doing a reset and then rebuilding this structure
>> in a way that is appropriate for Apache OpenOffice is the best way forward.
>> >
>> +1
>> Right now we have no guarantees that these distributors are actually
>> distributing current versions of OpenOffice, older versions with
>> security issues, or even modified versions of OpenOffice with adware
>> inserted.  We see things like this happening all over the web today.
>> So I'd be very careful on how we associate the project with
>> initiatives like this.  It is one thing if a PMC member or someone
>> known to us wants to distribute CD's at a conference.  It is another
>> thing for us to put up free advertising for unknown parties to sell
>> what may or may not be real copies of OpenOffice.
>> What we could do to protect our users is something like this:
>> -- Define a new logo, perhaps based on the project logo, for CD
>> distributors
>> -- Put the logo up on a webpage page and allow anyone to use the logo,
>> but only if it is used on a CD containing a release of OpenOffice and
>> nothing but OpenOffice.
> Well there is a rather prominent disclaimer on the page --
>  *Note: makes no claims about the contents of any CD-ROM you
> may purchase from a distributor listed here. We list these only as a
> courtesy to the community. Should you find old or invalid links, please
> report them to the page maintainer: Alex Fisher <>

Yes.  But at that point I'm not sure we're really helping our users.
If they want to pay money to get a CD of uncertain quality and
contents, a simple search of Google will give them plenty of
opportunities to take that risk, without this project getting
involved.  Maybe this wasn't the case 12 years ago.

Of course, if we can find a way to do the user a real service and have
a way of ensuring they are getting a genuine copy of OpenOffice, then
let's do it.

Otherwise, imagine the parallel:

1) We set up a page for 3rd parties to request that we add a link for
downloading OpenOffice

2) We don't verify that they actually offer genuine AOO.

3) We allow them to use the official project logo

4) We don't even check to see if they are allowing free downloads

5) So we end up with a page full of links to eBay ads and the various
scams that are already out there pretending to be OpenOffice download

You can see what a mess that would be if we allowed this for 3rd party
download sites, if we just added links on request.  A disclaimer would
not really help the users.

Of course, we would never do something like that with download links.
But I'm not sure that just changing the media to CD-Rom magically
makes it better.  It is still a swamp.

> We should probably make a minor change on this for now and replace
> with Apache OpenOffice , remove Alex, and point them to
> ooo-dev? As I'm making final adjustments to things I am finding many such
> items.
> *
>> > This will disadvantage some NL groups who have been maintaining the
>> information for their region, though.  So it needs to be a brief disruption.
>> >
>> > Andrea Pescetti has done some work on the page today.  I suggest
>> consulting with him on a clean way forward.
>> >
>> >  - Dennis
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: drew jensen []
>> > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 10:48
>> > To:
>> > Subject: Re: Who is Page Maintainer Now?
>> >
>> > [ ... ]
>> >
>> > There are quite a few junk links on that page, for sure.
>> > At the moment no-one is actively working on a CD image.
>> > We don't have a 'community distributor' program, really - right - I
>> > think it was a good idea and still is, but this group has to carve out a
>> > little time to figure it out anew.
>> >
>> > so -  given the change in project, I really do think the best way
>> > forward is to just wipe that page clean, first - and then look at what
>> > should go in it's pace.
>> >
>> > My opinion on that anyway, and to re-emphasize - I think we want
>> > distributors and an information page such as this and I'll work with
>> > others to get it back, but I really think by Tuesday the links should be
>> > e gone.
>> >
>> > //drew
>> >
>> >
> --
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> MzK
> "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
>  And life has a funny way of helping you out
>  Helping you out."
>                            -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette

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