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From Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Dealing with a large and diverse project - Native Languages and project teams
Date Sun, 20 May 2012 21:58:26 GMT
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Paulo de Souza Lima
<paulo.s.lima@varekai.org> wrote:
> 2012/5/20 Wolf Halton <wolf.halton@gmail.com>
>
>> On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Paulo de Souza Lima <
>> paulo.s.lima@varekai.org> wrote:
>>
>> > 2012/5/20 Paolo Pozzan <paolo@z2z.it>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Reading to all other messages in this thread, I think many missed the
>> > > point.
>> > > The problem is not about what language to use, but how to manage the
>> > > to-be-volunteers which don't or wouldn't have the same skills as ours.
>> > > Volunteers are a big marketing weapon; is like happy workers that
>> freely
>> > > advertise the company they work for. OTOH rejected volunteers (even for
>> > > difficulty of access - e.g. language) will feel the final product less
>> > > theirs, so they will be less willing to marketing that.
>> > >
>> > > Like many "opposers" of AOO Project (incubating) (get it? ;-) say, the
>> > > Apache Software Foundation has a long history of successful software
>> for
>> > > skilled technical users. I bet that the average OpenOffice user don't
>> > even
>> > > know what a programming language exactly is, so I think this is a new
>> > > exciting challenge for the Apache folks.
>> > >
>> > > What I understood in my experience with italian volunteers is that
>> people
>> > > love to contribute in a hassle-free maneer, this means that someone
>> else
>> > > have to show them the way, letting them just do. I know this may sound
>> > > disappointing, but it is not a limit of freedom if someone choose by
>> > > his/her own to follow some rules.
>> > >
>> > > I think that it would be useful to write some basic guidelines for the
>> > > native language teams to know what to do and what not. Letting them
>> know
>> > it
>> > > would eventually lead to the birth of local communities, where "basic"
>> > > contributors will eventually will go there.
>> > > Maybe many of us have still in mind the old OpenOffice.org structure,
>> > > which worked fine for the language teams and to which we can consider
>> > > copying from.
>> > >
>> > > Paolo
>> > >
>> >
>> > That's exactly what is happening to brazilian community. The most of us
>> > have not technical skills. But we are AOO users and we have influence to
>> > convince many people and organizations to give a chance on AOO. And we
>> are
>> > being striked a lot because of that, but we are standing still.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Paulo de Souza Lima
>> > http://almalivre.wordpress.com
>> > Curitiba - PR
>> > Linux User #432358
>> > Ubuntu User #28729
>> >
>>
>> Paulo,
>> I am not sure I understand either.  What is missing that would make it
>> easier for you to do what you want to accomplish?
>>
>
> Hi Wolf.
>
> Nothing at all, actually. It would be good if we had a pt-br mailing list,
> but we are using a mailing list from Escritorio Livre Community. The most
> important for people up here,maybe, would have support and acceptance from
> AOO without many "bureaucractic issues". We are proud to help and we help
> for fun, without political or economic interests.
>

So I've seen two requests so far:

1) Create of a br-pt mailing list.  I think this was approved, yes?

2) Request for admin access to MWiki.   I don't think this has been
resolved yet.

You are already doing great things with the Twitter and other social
media accounts.  This is great.

Was there anything else that the Brazilian volunteers need
immediately?    What other kinds of "bureaucratic issues" are you
running into?

-Rob

> I think this could lead to a polemic discussion and I don't wish to be
> polemic. Sorry.
>
>
>>
>> Wolf
>>
>>
> Regards.
> --
> Paulo de Souza Lima
> http://almalivre.wordpress.com
> Curitiba - PR
> Linux User #432358
> Ubuntu User #28729

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