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From Paulo de Souza Lima <>
Subject Re: Dealing with a large and diverse project - Native Languages and project teams
Date Sun, 20 May 2012 22:00:32 GMT
2012/5/20 Dennis E. Hamilton <>

> Please Paolo,
> What does this refer to:
>   "Do you need to fill a form when you decide to help a friend
>    or someone unknown? Most of people don't think they need.
>    So, some of us will submit their requests for contributors.
>    Some will not."
> I have no idea how this relates to the Apache OpenOffice project and those
> communities that adopt, share and advocate use of the software.
Ok. Let me try to explain again. Maybe the language barrier could be making
me diffiicult to do that.

1- When were living, we had a great and promising community
in Brazil.
2 - In that time, we had not to fill any kind of form to contribute and to
be accepted as a contributor. Everyone was watching what we were doing and
that was enough.
3 - I don't know if you are aware about what has happened to
NGO. It's a long and disgusting story I could tell you in another
opportunity. But that divided our community in those who had commercial
interests in brazilian market and those who contributed freely and had
their work stolen, when TDF was formed.
4 - Suddenly, TDF was requesting that every person who wanted to be called
a "contributor" should fill a agreement request in order to be
"recognized". So we became to be concerned about that huge amount of people
who contributed and didn't want to fill a formal agreement to a foreign
organization that don't speak their language and has a lot of "channels",
many of them obscured.
5 - In addition, people who we were fighting bacame key persons in TDF. One
of them became a "brazilian" member of the BoD, with 70 votes, when
brazilian accepted members in Brazil were less than 15 and most of them
didn't vote for him.
6 - Facing all those issues, many of us got out. Some have gone to take
care of their own lives. Some were seeking some other project to contribute
for. We are the remains of those who were seeking a project to contribute
7 - Some of us are not intending to fill a form in order to became a
"contributor". They don't think it's necessary, and I don't think either.
despite of that they continue to do a great job marketing AOO, without your
knowledge. You don't know them, but we, brazilians, certainly do.
8 - This discussion was already made in TDF mailing lists, without success
for us.
9 - I don't want to bring a polemic issue like that here, because I know
you would ask more and more about it, and some answers cannot be exactly
what you want to see.
10 - I am tired of discussing this issue. I had a wearing discussion with
TDF BoD once and, if brazilian people don't want to speak for themselves,
I'll be quiet also, because I am telling you what is/was happening, but I
am not a spokesman for anyone.

And Rob... There's no "abstract vollunteers" up here. There are vollunteers
you don't know and who are doing a great job, despite the fact you don't
know them.

>  - Dennis


Paulo de Souza Lima
Curitiba - PR
Linux User #432358
Ubuntu User #28729

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