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From Paulo de Souza Lima <>
Subject Re: Dealing with a large and diverse project - Native Languages and project teams
Date Fri, 18 May 2012 17:40:09 GMT
2012/5/18 Rob Weir <>


> Not really.  I'm not presuming to say what others should or should not
> want to do.  And I'm not going to speculate on what "the project"
> wants to do, whatever the heck that means.
> Let's not speculate or deal in hypothetical about how some
> hypothetical volunteer from Bolivia may or may not want to do for some
> hypothetical grant.  We don't need an elaborate apparatus to deal with
> such questions that have not actually occurred here.
> Instead, let's ask of the here and now:  Is there anything any
> volunteer on the project wants to do, that they believe that they
> cannot do?  I'd encourage them to speak up, regardless of country or
> language.  Let's make a list.

Well, as long as you've opened a channel, I have something to say about it.

1 - I think, because I am a brand new vollunteer, and I'm not a commiter, I
can't get admin access to the wiki, wiki servers and wiki database, in
order to do what I want/plan to do in it. And I don't know who can do it
for me, because TJ has told me it's possible that there's no vollunteer
familiar enough with Mediawiki who can do that in infra team (upgrading and
installing extensions). So my hands are tied. Just like many users, I am
unable to find quick answers to my questions and unable to try solving this
problem =)
2 - There's a lot of people here in Brazil willing to help AOO, but they
can't because they can't read/write/speak English. I can count at least
three right now, in our (provisory) mailing list at Escritório Livre.
3 - Some of them, even knowing English language, have difficulties to reach
this list because they feel, let's say, unconfortable in dealing with
"famous people" like many of you. =) Apache seems to be a serious place
(maybe too serious) for those people. They are affraid to be misundestood.
4 - Many of us (90% I believe) came from an experience in LibO. There we
faced a lot of issues about using brands, names and logos, because there is
a lot of misunderstanding about who can or can't use them. Allowing people
not directly involved with the project to use AOO brand/logo within certain
clear rules could be very usefull and should help people to spread AOO.

Sorry but I can't remember the corresponding word in English for the
portuguese word "sisudo", so I placed the word "serious". Maybe someone can
help me because Google Translate couldn't.  =)

> IMHO, I believe there is more misunderstanding or even lack of
> knowledge about The Apache Way than there are cases of it not working
> for this project.  Remember, we've grown very quickly, and a good
> portion of the current volunteers did not go through all the learning
> experiences the initial PMC members had last year.

That's a fact!

> So let's make a list of whatever real current problems we think we
> have.  We might be able to deal with those.  But I doubt there will be
> much time left over to deal with hypothetical problems.

Well, those I described above are not hypothetical.

> -Rob
Thanks for this opening.

Paulo de Souza Lima
Curitiba - PR
Linux User #432358
Ubuntu User #28729

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