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From Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Who is Page Maintainer Now? http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/
Date Mon, 07 May 2012 01:06:52 GMT
On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:

> On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
> >> <dennis.hamilton@acm.org> wrote:
> >> > +1
> >> >
> >> > I agree.  It looks like doing a reset and then rebuilding this
> structure
> >> in a way that is appropriate for Apache OpenOffice is the best way
> forward.
> >> >
> >>
> >> +1
> >>
> >> Right now we have no guarantees that these distributors are actually
> >> distributing current versions of OpenOffice, older versions with
> >> security issues, or even modified versions of OpenOffice with adware
> >> inserted.  We see things like this happening all over the web today.
> >> So I'd be very careful on how we associate the project with
> >> initiatives like this.  It is one thing if a PMC member or someone
> >> known to us wants to distribute CD's at a conference.  It is another
> >> thing for us to put up free advertising for unknown parties to sell
> >> what may or may not be real copies of OpenOffice.
> >>
> >> What we could do to protect our users is something like this:
> >>
> >> -- Define a new logo, perhaps based on the project logo, for CD
> >> distributors
> >>
> >> -- Put the logo up on a webpage page and allow anyone to use the logo,
> >> but only if it is used on a CD containing a release of OpenOffice and
> >> nothing but OpenOffice.
> >>
> >
> > Well there is a rather prominent disclaimer on the page --
> >
> >  *Note: OpenOffice.org makes no claims about the contents of any CD-ROM
> you
> > may purchase from a distributor listed here. We list these only as a
> > courtesy to the community. Should you find old or invalid links, please
> > report them to the page maintainer: Alex Fisher <cdrom@openoffice.org>
> >
>
> Yes.  But at that point I'm not sure we're really helping our users.
> If they want to pay money to get a CD of uncertain quality and
> contents, a simple search of Google will give them plenty of
> opportunities to take that risk, without this project getting
> involved.  Maybe this wasn't the case 12 years ago.
>
> Of course, if we can find a way to do the user a real service and have
> a way of ensuring they are getting a genuine copy of OpenOffice, then
> let's do it.
>
> Otherwise, imagine the parallel:
>
>
> 1) We set up a page for 3rd parties to request that we add a link for
> downloading OpenOffice
>
> 2) We don't verify that they actually offer genuine AOO.
>
> 3) We allow them to use the official project logo
>
> 4) We don't even check to see if they are allowing free downloads
>
> 5) So we end up with a page full of links to eBay ads and the various
> scams that are already out there pretending to be OpenOffice download
> sites
>
> You can see what a mess that would be if we allowed this for 3rd party
> download sites, if we just added links on request.  A disclaimer would
> not really help the users.
>
> Of course, we would never do something like that with download links.
> But I'm not sure that just changing the media to CD-Rom magically
> makes it better.  It is still a swamp.
>

yes...so, a solution? ditch the page entirely? We can certainly do that...


>
>
> > We should probably make a minor change on this for now and replace
> > OpenOffice.org with Apache OpenOffice , remove Alex, and point them to
> > ooo-dev? As I'm making final adjustments to things I am finding many such
> > items.
> > *
> >
> >>
> >> > This will disadvantage some NL groups who have been maintaining the
> >> information for their region, though.  So it needs to be a brief
> disruption.
> >> >
> >> > Andrea Pescetti has done some work on the page today.  I suggest
> >> consulting with him on a clean way forward.
> >> >
> >> >  - Dennis
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: drew jensen [mailto:drewjensen.inbox@gmail.com]
> >> > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 10:48
> >> > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >> > Subject: Re: Who is Page Maintainer Now?
> >> http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/
> >> >
> >> > [ ... ]
> >> >
> >> > There are quite a few junk links on that page, for sure.
> >> > At the moment no-one is actively working on a CD image.
> >> > We don't have a 'community distributor' program, really - right - I
> >> > think it was a good idea and still is, but this group has to carve
> out a
> >> > little time to figure it out anew.
> >> >
> >> > so -  given the change in project, I really do think the best way
> >> > forward is to just wipe that page clean, first - and then look at what
> >> > should go in it's pace.
> >> >
> >> > My opinion on that anyway, and to re-emphasize - I think we want
> >> > distributors and an information page such as this and I'll work with
> >> > others to get it back, but I really think by Tuesday the links should
> be
> >> > e gone.
> >> >
> >> > //drew
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > MzK
> >
> > "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
> >  And life has a funny way of helping you out
> >  Helping you out."
> >                            -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette
>



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MzK

"Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
 And life has a funny way of helping you out
 Helping you out."
                            -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette

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