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From Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Windows Install Issues (was RE: Linux install issues)
Date Tue, 22 May 2012 18:13:33 GMT
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamilton@acm.org
> wrote:

> @Kay,
>
> Yes, that installation-guide page is very out of date.
>
> Did you ever look at this page: <
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Win-en-x86-Setup>.
>
> I have additional clean screen shots, all using the released Apache
> OpenOffice 3.4.0, and I need to update those images and the related remarks
> where there is now a difference.  They could be used for a how-to, as
> opposed to the QA analysis, which I need to update with the new shots and
> any changed observations.
>

no...I did not see this. Thanks for pointing it out. I would LOVE to just
link the Windows install section to a separate page like this.


>
> The only way to change the install location is by selecting Custom Install
> at the appropriate point, and then looking at the dialog corner where the
> install location can be changed.  Unfortunately, I have learned not to
> trust that option because there were so many releases (not OO.o) that
> failed because the code had dependencies that were messed up.
>
> For Apache OpenOffice, this can change the directory in Program Files but
> I don't think it will do much for application data in the User folder or
> the Windows registry.  So the User Profile, the extension cache and
> probably other things will be interfered with if there is an older
> OpenOffice.org 3.x.x that the user wants to keep running.  (AOO 3.4 usurps
> the hidden Application Data/OpenOffice/3/user/ ... subfolder.)
>
> I think I'll focus on the file-association problem right now, because it
> is something that appears to be clear-cut and easy to remedy.
>
>  - Dennis
>
> PS: I did reserve a MediaWiki HowTo page for Windows installation of the
> OO.o 3.3.0 patch, but did not find time for the amount of work it takes to
> account for the differences between Windows XP and Windows Vista/7/8.  I
> suppose this is a good place for details on Windows installation also.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.schenk@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 17:18
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; dennis.hamilton@acm.org
> Subject: Re: Linux install issues
>
> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton <
> dennis.hamilton@acm.org
> > wrote:
>
> > @Kay,
> >
> > I believe the dialog is still there for optionally setting associations
> > for .doc, .ppt, and .xls works.  I should double-check that too.  But
> there
> > is definitely no detection that .odt, .ods, .odp, etc., are already
> > assigned to an application other than OpenOffice.org, and no polite
> request
> > or warning.
> >
>
> oh -- I see
>
>
> >
> > I need to do this on purpose under repeatable test conditions and capture
> > details for a bug report.  But I have seen it too often without warning
> of
> > any kind during installs I was conducting for other purposes.
> >
> >  - Dennis
> >
> > (It is too late to complain about the silent, automatic removal of
> earlier
> > OO.o versions.  It would have been good to follow the LibreOffice
> precedent
> > of having OpenOffice3.4 start its own install directory, etc., just as
> the
> > 3.x versions of LO do.)
> >
>
> Yeah-- I don't think that's happening for Linux. I included a "to do" on
> this for Linux users on the revised Install Guide I put out today as it's
> basically required to get things to work.
>
>  I don't work on windows. Install instructions for Linux state where the
> installation will go. Many Linux folks know how to control the actual
> installation area if they want to.
>
> Dennis, it might be very helpful for you to make some changes to the
> Windows install instructions in--
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/download/common/instructions.html
>
> to address some of your concerns. If you have them, I'm sure others do too.
> You could add in there how to install to an alternate area, etc.
>
> I didn't spend any time at all looking at the Windows information, and
> didn't receive feedback about a month ago when I first started working on
> this.
> Please fix as you see the need.
>
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.schenk@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 15:43
> > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; dennis.hamilton@acm.org
> > Subject: Re: Linux install issues
> >
> > On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton <
> > dennis.hamilton@acm.org
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > I am not changing anything.  I don't think there is any such thing as
> > > owning file names and it is too late to claim them now.  And that
> doesn't
> > > matter.  What matters is the impact on users and on the cost of
> > supporting
> > > them with the present arrangement.
> > >
> > >  - Dennis
> > >
> > > PS: I am also annoyed by the heavy-handed way that AOO 3.4.0 stomps on
> > > existing file associations too.
> > >
> >
> > no advance warning? asking politely?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Juergen Schmidt [mailto:jogischmidt@googlemail.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 13:56
> > > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; dennis.hamilton@acm.org
> > > Subject: Re: Linux install issues
> > >
> > > Am Samstag, 19. Mai 2012 um 19:32 schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton:
> > >
> > >        One enduring solution would be to break with the past and not
> use
> > > the same file names for the binary bits, the same registry keys, etc.,
> > any
> > > longer. That would solve a few problems on Windows too.
> > >
> > >
> > > I think we own the name and we are probably not the project who should
> > > change any names.
> > > We should be careful with this kind of changes because we can
> potentially
> > > break a lot of existing projects who rely on names, registry entries
> etc.
> > >
> > > So please be careful with such changes without deeper analysis what
> > > depends in this...
> > >
> > > Juergen
> > >
> > >
> > >        - Dennis
> > >
> > >        -----Original Message-----
> > >        From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.schenk@gmail.com]
> > >        Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 10:01
> > >        To: ooo-dev
> > >        Subject: Linux install issues
> > >
> > >        Hi all--
> > >
> > >        It seems we are running into a number of very difficult problems
> > > with Linux
> > >        installs, the latest just e-mailed to this list this morning,
> due
> > > to the
> > >        way some vendors have installed LO.
> > >
> > >        see:
> > >
> > >        http://markmail.org/message/qz72ouzjvcm7uyfn
> > >
> > >
> > >        I'd really like to provide additional help in the install guide:
> > >
> > >        http://www.openoffice.org/download/common/instructions.html
> > >
> > >        but I'm at a loss as to what this should say.
> > >
> > >        I took a look at SOME of the postings on the support forums and
> > > well, still
> > >        at a loss. Generally, it seems that completely uninstall the old
> > > OOo 3.3 is
> > >        a given (please correct me if I'm wrong about this), but how to
> > > handle some
> > >        of the LO overlap?
> > >
> > >        Can we get some opinions on what's the most accurate way to go
> > about
> > >        installing AOO 3.4 on linux?
> > >
> > >        * completely de-install LO first? install AOO 3.4, the
> re-install
> > > LO?
> > >        * completely de-install old OOo 3.3? and then?
> > >
> > >        Thankfully, I did not run into these kinds of issues with my
> > distro.
> > >
> > >        --
> > >
> > >
> >
>  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >        MzK
> > >
> > >        "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
> > >        -- Mark Twain
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > MzK
> >
> > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
> >                                 -- Mark Twain
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> MzK
>
> "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
>                                 -- Mark Twain
>
>


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----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MzK

"The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
                                 -- Mark Twain

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