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From Juergen Schmidt <jogischm...@googlemail.com>
Subject Re: Who is Page Maintainer Now? http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/
Date Mon, 07 May 2012 17:14:50 GMT
On Monday, 7. May 2012 at 18:35, Kay Schenk wrote:
> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:35 AM, drew <drew@baseanswers.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 2012-05-07 at 08:16 +0200, Juergen Schmidt wrote:
> > > On Monday, 7. May 2012 at 03:06, Kay Schenk wrote:
> > > > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org>
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
> > > > > > > <dennis.hamilton@acm.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > > +1
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I agree. It looks like doing a reset and then rebuilding
this
> > > > > structure
> > > > > > > in a way that is appropriate for Apache OpenOffice is the
best
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > way
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > forward.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > +1
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Right now we have no guarantees that these distributors
are
> > actually
> > > > > > > distributing current versions of OpenOffice, older versions
with
> > > > > > > security issues, or even modified versions of OpenOffice
with
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > adware
> > > > > > > inserted. We see things like this happening all over the
web
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > today.
> > > > > > > So I'd be very careful on how we associate the project
with
> > > > > > > initiatives like this. It is one thing if a PMC member
or someone
> > > > > > > known to us wants to distribute CD's at a conference. It
is
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > another
> > > > > > > thing for us to put up free advertising for unknown parties
to
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > sell
> > > > > > > what may or may not be real copies of OpenOffice.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > What we could do to protect our users is something like
this:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > -- Define a new logo, perhaps based on the project logo,
for CD
> > > > > > > distributors
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > -- Put the logo up on a webpage page and allow anyone to
use the
> > logo,
> > > > > > > but only if it is used on a CD containing a release of
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > OpenOffice and
> > > > > > > nothing but OpenOffice.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Well there is a rather prominent disclaimer on the page --
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > *Note: OpenOffice.org makes no claims about the contents of
any
> > CD-ROM
> > > > > you
> > > > > > may purchase from a distributor listed here. We list these only
as
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > a
> > > > > > courtesy to the community. Should you find old or invalid links,
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > please
> > > > > > report them to the page maintainer: Alex Fisher <
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > cdrom@openoffice.org>
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Yes. But at that point I'm not sure we're really helping our users.
> > > > > If they want to pay money to get a CD of uncertain quality and
> > > > > contents, a simple search of Google will give them plenty of
> > > > > opportunities to take that risk, without this project getting
> > > > > involved. Maybe this wasn't the case 12 years ago.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Of course, if we can find a way to do the user a real service and
> > have
> > > > > a way of ensuring they are getting a genuine copy of OpenOffice,
then
> > > > > let's do it.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Otherwise, imagine the parallel:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 1) We set up a page for 3rd parties to request that we add a link
for
> > > > > downloading OpenOffice
> > > > > 
> > > > > 2) We don't verify that they actually offer genuine AOO.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 3) We allow them to use the official project logo
> > > > > 
> > > > > 4) We don't even check to see if they are allowing free downloads
> > > > > 
> > > > > 5) So we end up with a page full of links to eBay ads and the various
> > > > > scams that are already out there pretending to be OpenOffice download
> > > > > sites
> > > > > 
> > > > > You can see what a mess that would be if we allowed this for 3rd
> > party
> > > > > download sites, if we just added links on request. A disclaimer would
> > > > > not really help the users.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Of course, we would never do something like that with download links.
> > > > > But I'm not sure that just changing the media to CD-Rom magically
> > > > > makes it better. It is still a swamp.
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > yes...so, a solution? ditch the page entirely? We can certainly do
> > that...
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Maybe yes with a note that we are working on a reliable and working
> > > 
> > 
> > solution for the future.
> > > I can think of a partner who we know and who simply produce it on demand.
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Juergen
> > 
> > Those damed folks where just clingers on anyway - I am sure you agree.
> > 
> > //drew
> For now, I just completely commented out the CD ROM and ISO image stuff
> from the new download page. I can work on this in a bit and when we have
> what we like I'll put it back in.
> 
+1

Juergen 
> 
> -- 
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> MzK
> 
> "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
> And life has a funny way of helping you out
> Helping you out."
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