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From Juergen Schmidt <jogischm...@googlemail.com>
Subject Re: [WWW] Common layout and content for NL sites (was: Some issues translating download/index.html)
Date Thu, 10 May 2012 20:36:24 GMT
On Thursday, 10. May 2012 at 22:17, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
> Hi Jürgen, Dave, *
>  
> On Wed, May 09, 2012 at 09:56:25PM +0200, Juergen Schmidt wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 9. May 2012 at 19:40, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
> > >  
> > > Hi there,
> > >  
> > > We know AOO website is not set up to be (easily?) localized, but we've
> > > been doing our best with the guys on the Spanish mailing list to update
> > > the Spanish NL site, mainly translating /adapting the main English site.
> > >  
> > > I've been trying to translate the download page, you can find it at
> > > http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/es/descargar/index.html
> > > So far I see two (main) issues:
> > >  
> > > * I had to make a copy of exceptions.css to adapt the cachedimages/*.png
> > > URLs
> > >  
> > > * we want the look & feel and the system detection, but not the
> > > language detection: the user is on the Spanish site, the download must
> > > be a Spanish package. I hacked this by adding a variable that is set
> > > on the localized index.html via setLanguage("es"); then this variable
> > > is used instead of navigator.language. I guess that instead of this,
> > > the script code could detect if it is invoked from /download/index.html
> > > or /$LANG/xxx/[.../]index..html
> > > Is this solvable? Anyone with a better idea?
> > > The page looks like:
> > > http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/www-es-descargar.png
> > > with this patch applied::
> > > http://people.apache.org/~arielch/patches/localize-download-index-html.patch
> > >  
> > >  
> > > In a perfect situation, the site should be localizable with PO files,
> > > and no need to hack stuff... but we are far from this situation.
> > >  
> >  
> >  
> > but it is worth to think in this direction and focus future work to this as well.
 
> > I like this and will support all efforts going in this direction.
> >  
>  
>  
> It has been discussed on the list several times before the idea of
> having a common set of pages in all NL sites, but the discussion didn't
> have a conclusion. Now that AOO 3.4 is out, one can browse the NL sites,
> and in several cases you get the feeling that you are in an abandoned
> place; this will give our users a very bad idea of what's happening at
> AOO.
>  
> Just some examples:
>  
> * http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/de/index.html last Neuigkeit:
> 26.01.2011 OpenOffice.org 3.3.0 wurde veröffentlicht
>  
> * if you look for mailing lists on the French site, you end up in
> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/fr/contact-forums.html
>  
> * on the main site, there is some rather old content that now is
> outdated and/or looks ugly in the new site layout
> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/product/index.html the screen shot
> is from an older version
>  
> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/why/index.html looks rather ugly;
> IIRC on the old site this page was displayed on a separated window,
> now it looks rather unprofessional
>  
> These examples show that there is a lot to update on the main site *and*
> the NL sites; instead of multiplying the efforts, we should think of
> a set-up where the web designers only have to design one site,
> translators localize the site and volunteers update other localizable
> content like screenshots.
>  
> Following the main site, I'd think of a common set of pages containing
> the basic information that should be provided to our users (folder names
> could be localizable, see the directory structure in
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content/es/ )
>  
>  
> /$LANG/index.html  
> div actionstatements - the actions list
> div news - some news
>  
> /$LANG/product/ - describing AOO applications
>  
> /$LANG/why/ - what is AOO and why should you use it
>  
> /$LANG/social/ - Social Networks
>  
> /$LANG/support/ - Mailing lists, forum, documentation
>  
> /$LANG/download/ - Downloads, Checksums
>  
> /$LANG/participate/ - How to participate in AOO
>  
> /$LANG/extensions/ - Extensions and templates information
>  
> /$LANG/news/ - News, Announcements, Releases Notes
>  
>  

+1 for this proposal and thanks for picking this up...

Juergen  
>  
>  
> Regards
> --  
> Ariel Constenla-Haile
> La Plata, Argentina
>  
>  



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