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From drew <d...@baseanswers.com>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Starting the graduation process
Date Tue, 29 May 2012 17:56:34 GMT
On Tue, 2012-05-29 at 13:35 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:18 PM, drew <drew@baseanswers.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2012-05-29 at 13:15 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
> >> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:16 PM, drew <drew@baseanswers.com> wrote:
> >> > On Mon, 2012-05-28 at 14:50 -0500, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
> >> >> On 05/28/12 14:25, Rob Weir wrote:
> >> >> > On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Pedro Giffuni<pfg@apache.org>
 wrote:
> >> >> >> Hi Rob;
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On 05/28/12 13:10, Rob Weir wrote:
> >> >> >>> I'd like to start the graduation process, with the aim
of being a TLP
> >> >> >>> in time for the 3.4.1 release.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> The IPMC has a "Guide to Successful Graduation" page with
a lot of
> >> >> >>> detail and advice:  http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> The calendar here is especially useful:
> >> >> >>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> It shows 4 steps:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> 1) a vote on ooo-dev (a community vote) on whether we
want to graduate now
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> 2) a discussion on ooo-dev leading to the draft of a charter
for the new
> >> >> >>> TLP
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> 3) an IPMC vote on whether or not to recommend the podling
for graduation
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> 4) a vote by the ASF Board on a resolution creating the
new TLP
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> This thread is just a proposal.  It is not the actual
vote called for
> >> >> >>> in #1 above.  But I'd like to gauge current sentiment.
 Are we all +1
> >> >> >>> for going ahead?  If not, please list what pre-graduation
tasks you
> >> >> >>> believe need to be done first.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Thanks!
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> -Rob
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> A reminder of a small, but IMHO significant, technical issue:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> We do have to take the category-B tarballs out of the tree
> >> >> >> before graduation.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> > Do we?   If I recall, there were multiple views on this and no
> >> >> > consensus.  But you are welcome to make a concrete proposal.
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes the situation was specifically postponed as a graduation
> >> >> issue, I am not going through that discussion again.
> >> >>
> >> >> I made a concrete proposal with two alternatives:
> >> >>
> >> >> - They are moved to a friendly ftp/http site.
> >> >> - I step down from the PPMC to avoid the community
> >> >> the pain of a -1 vote.
> >> >
> >> > Please do not do the second - I know that someone was putting forward
> >> > the idea that a -1 vote on the first RC was enough to disqualify that
> >> > person from serving on the PMC but that was something that I can't
> >> > believe people in general would agree with.
> >> >
> >>
> >> A citation, please?
> >
> > Juergen talking about the fellow that didn't think a trranslation
> > (Finish I think it was) was up to date - if you want me to search the
> > archive I will but it is there.
> >
> 
> OK.  I think at that time some were under the impression that a -1 on
> a release vote was a veto.  We now know that this is not the case.
> 

Could be - it was just the way Pedro phrased his comment I thought
perhaps his thinking was being influenced by the earlier remarks.

Thanks

//drew


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