Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7E37E9CD2 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:19:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 93679 invoked by uid 500); 24 Apr 2012 20:19:24 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 93585 invoked by uid 500); 24 Apr 2012 20:19:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 93576 invoked by uid 99); 24 Apr 2012 20:19:24 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:19:24 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of dave2wave@comcast.net designates 76.96.30.24 as permitted sender) Received: from [76.96.30.24] (HELO qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.30.24) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:19:15 +0000 Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 1wC31j0071zF43QA2wJuV1; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:18:54 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.74] ([67.180.51.144]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 1wJA1j00336gVt78kwJltq; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:18:50 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: [DISCUSS][VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) RC1 From: Dave Fisher In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 13:18:10 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <00d701cd1ff9$83529e80$89f7db80$@apache.org> <4F934113.300@gmail.com> <39FA8470-4C94-45BE-83D7-C86472B005C8@comcast.net> <406279F7-88DF-4BF0-A065-11FE1B3BB5BC@comcast.net> <37045597-4D49-49B9-A00F-B3A03312EFB7@comcast.net>

To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Apr 24, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Dave Fisher = wrote: >>=20 >> On Apr 22, 2012, at 1:21 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: >>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Apr 22, 2012, at 1:02 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >>>=20 >>>> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Dave Fisher = wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Apr 22, 2012, at 12:47 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> You snipped out the important part: >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Sorry, thought you answered your own question there. But since you >>>> bring it up, there is no requirement for a DISCLAIMER file. There = is >>>> however a requirement for making the user aware of the incubation >>>> disclaimer. See this page, where several options are listed: >>>>=20 >>>> = http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#notes-disclaimer= >>>=20 >>> Keep in mind that page is clearly labeled as a "DRAFT". >>>=20 >>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#status >>>=20 >>> The DISCLAIMER file is certainly in the correct place in the Source = distribution. >>=20 >> Well, I was not correct here. It is in the SVN, but fails to make it = into any of the distributions. >>=20 >> I did a MacOSX build, reviewed the NOTICE, LICENSE, rat-exclude and = rat output from a nightly build. >>=20 >> An amazing job was done with the Headers and the RAT report! >>=20 >> Here are my concerns: >>=20 >> (1) DISCLAIMER ought to be included in all packages. We'll have to = see if this is a SHOULD or a MUST. >>=20 >=20 > I think we need to make it clear to the user that this is a project > under incubation. There are several ways of doing this. Standalone > DISCLAIMER is one way. Adding to README file is another explicitly > called out in the podling release guide. >=20 >> (2) LICENSE contains copyright statements which ought to be part of = the NOTICE file. Again we'll see if this is a SHOULD or a MUST. >>=20 >=20 > Do you have some examples? =46rom the LICENSE: For main/i18npool/source/breakiterator/data/*.txt and International Components for Unicode - built in main/icu/ - ICU license This is derived work based on: ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/globalization/icu/3.2/ License of the origin and the derived work: ICU License - ICU 1.8.1 and later COPYRIGHT AND PERMISSION NOTICE Copyright (c) 1995-2003 International Business Machines Corporation and = others All rights reserved. > As I understand it, unless it is a required notice per the license, > the only copyrights that go into NOTICE are the ASF copyright and the > Oracle one which was relocated from the source files when the ALv2 > headers were added. We're not required to put every copyright > statement in NOTICE. Actually I think this is where these copyright notices need to be. There = has been discussion on general@i.a.o and the issue is not clear. I think we are fine, but I also think that there will be discussion = about it on the IPMC portion of the VOTE. >=20 >=20 >> (3) When building from source there was no warning about the = inclusion of Category B? I think that the Building Guide should be = edited to more clearly explain the ext_sources and ext_libraries. I know = we have the information. It is more making this clear. Again, I'm not = sure if it a SHOULD or a MUST for a build to pause and get explicit = permission to download category B. >>=20 >=20 > If you build with the default build flags, then you get no category B > code. If you want category B code then you need to explicitly add > those command-line build flags. Maybe the impact of these flags needs > to be clearer in the Building Guide? Yes, that would be great. >=20 > I don't think you really want the build system to actually pause and > wait for human input. That might complicated the Buildbot.... Somehow it has to be clear to the user when category B is consumed. Regards, Dave >=20 >> Regards, >> Dave >>=20 >>=20 >>>=20 >>> I think that I answered the question, but I would like to ask our = project Mentors if this will be an issue in IPMC voting. I've seen = enough on general@i.a.o to know that it may be for some and not others. >>>=20 >>> So, while this is not a problem for me, if it is likely IPMC will = request an RC2 over this we should know now. >>>=20 >>> Regards, >>> Dave >>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> -Rob >>>>=20 >>>>> The SDK and Binaries are missing the DISCLAIMER file. Is a missing = Incubation DISCLAIMER in a binary package enough to prevent release? I = think probably not, but this may be an edge case. The application = pop-ups do mention "Incubation" and every page linked back to = thewww.openoffice.org shows the Disclaimer... >>>>>=20 >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Dave >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> -Rob >>>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20