Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 27A0097B8 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:52:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 15983 invoked by uid 500); 19 Apr 2012 14:52:45 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 15925 invoked by uid 500); 19 Apr 2012 14:52:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 15915 invoked by uid 99); 19 Apr 2012 14:52:45 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:52:45 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of acolorado@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.175 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.216.175] (HELO mail-qc0-f175.google.com) (209.85.216.175) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:52:39 +0000 Received: by qcso7 with SMTP id o7so5290480qcs.6 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 07:52:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=dGWXTb7UKMNcG2wS5h3JXitNwPbvxeToXXhHGSu1HII=; b=iowV5JAhNbOQxH6eUpD2JYlYfHbsieAsyf2XAR/C5qmsga2OYabu28r9t6QLZFdB2r jdVGMuV19xnIAD3tV/DBAurSk4nmSaUqwe6gDOhM5p+ada9N0Zj4dTiz5KxGb3J8T/2u vD3iBqvexccP8SuVkmv2vhqiazgvpsxys1TeMv0YlZmJ1DETYyJAS/SKFYKWzB9BzQL6 q/aC2YgMn+cVoiQ7GD92ERL39V+0BzXLXEElqqvp5iQnX0j4QSQp2g6wrgiXITelfthQ 01FKbz8UjfuTkXiuvrC6NMauVmIM2kQ0GWzArQjIXrzQUCEPDKnkDZU5jokycauvcPs6 tOfg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.31.202 with SMTP id z10mr3402728qac.31.1334847136921; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 07:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Sender: acolorado@gmail.com Received: by 10.229.138.80 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 07:52:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1334160489.3622.11.camel@sybil-gnome> <1334551826.2646.66.camel@sybil-gnome> <1334677919.4871.15.camel@sybil-gnome> <1334678969.4871.20.camel@sybil-gnome> <1334679841.4871.24.camel@sybil-gnome> <4F8FC353.50900@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:52:16 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: CY2vSgb0MwKR3aduH55FPKh6fuQ Message-ID: Subject: Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Twitter Account From: Alexandro Colorado To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On 4/19/12, Roberto Galoppini wrote: > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrot= e: >> On 4/19/12, Roberto Galoppini wrote: >>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Alexandro Colorado >>> wrote: >>>> On 4/19/12, Roberto Galoppini wrote: >>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Alexandro Colorado >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> On 4/19/12, Rob Weir wrote: >>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Alexandro Colorado >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> On 4/19/12, Rob Weir wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Ian Lynch >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 19 April 2012 11:34, Alexandro Colorado wrot= e: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What is your concern here? >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Rob contacted me on the matter, and I reply back into the >>>>>>>>>>> >> thread >>>>>>>>>>> >> and >>>>>>>>>>> >> now he said that nobody replied and refer to his decisions a= s >>>>>>>>>>> >> we, >>>>>>>>>>> >> when >>>>>>>>>>> >> he is the one alone making how things are shaping. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Alexandro are you actually the maintainer of the @openofficeo= rg >>>>>>>>>>> > account? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> yes I am. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > If this is the case, guess we could go in a different >>>>>>>>>>> > direction, >>>>>>>>>>> > if >>>>>>>>>>> > not I guess the only option we have at this time is to create >>>>>>>>>>> > another >>>>>>>>>>> > one. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> My point is exactly that, Rob did contact me about the issue th= en >>>>>>>>>>> said >>>>>>>>>>> nobody reply to him. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Seems @openofficeorg has 1500 followers already. Unless there is >>>>>>>>>> another >>>>>>>>>> twitter account with more followers, I can't see much logic in n= ot >>>>>>>>>> simply >>>>>>>>>> building around this account. Just need some strategic tweets so >>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>> followers to retweet and get more followers. If Alexandro is >>>>>>>>>> willing >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> maintain this as a PPMC member, what is the problem? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have asked Alexandro many times over several months whether he >>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>> put that Twitter account under the control of the AOO PPMC, rathe= r >>>>>>>>> than treat it as his personal account. He has not agreed to do >>>>>>>>> this,so I've made a new account which I am putting under PPMC >>>>>>>>> control. >>>>>>>>> We've had this discussion, in open, on this list. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I dont remember having this discussion with you. So what are you >>>>>>>> talking >>>>>>>> about? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In this thread, on this list and several times. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For example, 8 days ago I wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Hi Alexandro -- Is the above your Twitter account? If so, would y= ou >>>>>>> be willing to contribute it to the AOO project, so we can rebrand i= t >>>>>>> and allow other PMC members to have write access to it, etc.?" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You didn't seem to understand that, perhaps due to my poor >>>>>>> description. So I described in more detail what I was looking for: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "By "contribute to the AOO project" I mean give control to the AOO >>>>>>> PMC, >>>>>>> so we can use it as a project-wide account, similar to how we treat >>>>>>> the blog: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- Any PPMC member, upon request, can have write access. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- We can use the project's official logo in conjunction with the >>>>>>> account. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- We would promote the account on our project's website. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- We would generally treat the account as an official voice of the >>>>>>> project, not as a personal account." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Again, no response. Instead of giving a straightforward yes or no >>>>>>> answer, you changed the subject to debating support questions via >>>>>>> Twitter. >>>>>> >>>>>> Which means that I want to discuss this first before moving the >>>>>> account or creating a new one. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is the question I'm asking clear? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've done the work. I've done the research. I've worked this >>>>>>>>> through >>>>>>>>> the community. I've created the account. I've applied the Apach= e >>>>>>>>> branding. I've signed up other PPMC members to have access to th= is >>>>>>>>> account. I've updated the website. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Then what you mean with 'I never recieved a reply'. Rob you are >>>>>>>> acting >>>>>>>> on your own, and that is really not good for the community not you= r >>>>>>>> reputation of power grabber. Is very skewed the way you reffer >>>>>>>> yourself as 'we', when is only you acting on your own behalf. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not acting on my own at all. I'm creating an account for use b= y >>>>>>> any PPMC member who want to volunteer to help with this Twitter >>>>>>> account. I'm discussing how we use Twitter and Google+ as a projec= t, >>>>>> >>>>>> Great but we had that already. Why are you duplicating efforts? >>>>> >>>>> Ok, if I understand it right you're open to provide the PPMC with the >>>>> ability to control that account, that means allign the logo, >>>>> description, etc to what the PPMC thinks is appropriate, as well as t= o >>>>> have other PPMC members to join the club and tweet. >>>>> >>>>> Is it correct? If not please ask questions you believe went unanswere= d. >>>> >>>> The point I made before, was about dealing how will structured be >>>> handled. I don't think sharing credentials is a good practice. (is >>>> like sharing root password through many users). After I understand the >>>> methodology I will contribute the account credentials to >>>> infrastructure. >>> >>> Agree 100% on the security side. So, what is needed from us to move >>> things on, what's missing on our part? >> >> Well before cotweet service use to work in this situations having >> multiple mantainers, cotweet has change its business model as of feb >> 15 and the others are also non-free or beta stage. We will need to >> look and try services that will allow us to have multiple account >> contributors. I have done my search and at the moment the only >> reliable service is the one I mentioned before (Ping.fm) but only for >> twitter (no fb or G+). >> >> Ping.fm is only useful for publishing, not interacting with users, >> which is also a problem. BirdHeard seems to be beta and will >> eventually charge for this, so we need to look for a service that >> allow us for all to interact. > > Just give Infra control, and let them sort out those details. > Unless you don't trust Infra - hope not - this seems to me the best > thing to do to share it. Is not a matter of trust but responsiveness. We need authentication to setup these things, infra will slow down the process. At the same time I do wonder how the ASF and other accounts is being handled currently. i dont get the necessity of setting the account up for PPMC at the moment. If there is a need to publish announcement, they can use Ping.fm already. > > Roberto > >> >>> >>> Roberto >>> >>>> >>>>> I'm pretty sure people on this list are open to keep providing answer= s >>>>> to end-users, yet to make all necessary changes to have blog post new= s >>>>> as well as other news automated. Unless you see a problem with moving >>>>> in this direction, it seems like we are all on the same page. >>>>> >>>>> Roberto >>>>> >>>>>>> and I'm doing this openly on the public list. This is a topic I'v= e >>>>>>> raised repeatedly on ooo-dev and ooo-private for several months. N= ow >>>>>>> that we are nearing release time for 3.4 it is time for moving >>>>>>> forward >>>>>>> with these proposals. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Acting on your own" sounds more like PPMC members who sit on such >>>>>>> accounts, treat them as personal accounts, and never offer them to >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> PPMC, and never worked with the PPMC to make the best use of them. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Well these accounts were long before the PPMC ever existed, and at t= he >>>>>> same time, were available for the group before there was a PPMC. PPM= C >>>>>> can join in anytime they want. But like I mentioned, the service to >>>>>> handled this is no longer available, and we need to tie them to a ne= w >>>>>> service. >>>>>> >>>>>> Again if all fails, you can always email me the post to be launched.= I >>>>>> dont see a dealbreaker. But acting like nobody replied to you, is a >>>>>> skewed message for everybody. >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is not about how many people follow the account. The questi= on >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> purely about which account can be under PPMC control and thus be >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> official account. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What you mean with PPMC control, I am a PPMC and I control the >>>>>>>> account. So what exactly is the issue here? Do you want to have >>>>>>>> control of the account? If so please say so and not act as a 'we' >>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>> is an 'I'. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Having it controlled by a single PPMC member is not the same as >>>>>>> "under >>>>>>> PPMC control". That is not what I am aiming for at all. >>>>>> >>>>>> Agreed, thats why I want more information on how can we achieved PPM= C >>>>>> control and what is the timeframe. I thought that's what we were >>>>>> discussing before you claiming you never received any reply from the >>>>>> account owner. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -Rob >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Ian >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamwort= h, >>>>>>>>>> Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> Wales. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Alexandro Colorado >>>>>>>> OpenOffice.org Espa=C3=B1ol >>>>>>>> http://es.openoffice.org >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Alexandro Colorado >>>>>> OpenOffice.org Espa=C3=B1ol >>>>>> http://es.openoffice.org >>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D >>>>> This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) abov= e. >>>>> It >>>>> may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not t= he >>>>> intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, >>>>> distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachment(s) is >>>>> strictly >>>>> prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please >>>>> immediately >>>>> notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the message a= nd >>>>> any >>>>> attachment(s) from your system. Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Alexandro Colorado >>>> OpenOffice.org Espa=C3=B1ol >>>> http://es.openoffice.org >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D >>> This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. >>> It >>> may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the >>> intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, >>> distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachment(s) is strictl= y >>> prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediate= ly >>> notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the message and >>> any >>> attachment(s) from your system. Thank you. >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Alexandro Colorado >> OpenOffice.org Espa=C3=B1ol >> http://es.openoffice.org > =3D=3D=3D=3D > This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. I= t > may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the > intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, > distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachment(s) is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately > notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the message and a= ny > attachment(s) from your system. Thank you. > > --=20 Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Espa=C3=B1ol http://es.openoffice.org