Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ADEA09A88 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:34:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 52444 invoked by uid 500); 19 Apr 2012 14:34:19 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 52319 invoked by uid 500); 19 Apr 2012 14:34:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 52132 invoked by uid 99); 19 Apr 2012 14:34:18 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:34:18 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of acolorado@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.175 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.216.175] (HELO mail-qc0-f175.google.com) (209.85.216.175) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:34:11 +0000 Received: by qcso7 with SMTP id o7so5273026qcs.6 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 07:33:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZM9AAFa+z+bUVKpc7aCvSUnoi4KaWJczgc/8ImEkrfI=; b=FDt37MxfbrTLiNbEnm+/+0LCzlvLCwqZRE+IWF1St077pUIRehYTAAnNBEXKy4emV+ a2AUFEZhjqMd5PgqDKXSEqEmLW0njDh3E9+DHQoZwoMTzGgnfTN1sWYGSXMz1JvuU8bR KNTwr3fgDIAmU8dOa7mzp2/JO9A42Ra2qmQmIzz7ewc3vDde7RQTfxLIuDqXCfJjc9fX VxAa/H4mfSxnUCyD+S0xv4GyN9V+aYLlhMQq4HIq+PWkMRM/eLS9lysV3MqoUF7GDhfc GF/K9CIWuB+91+Qj8hDwT4tm57VMh5dCuLPaQ2NyAHe2ZjV2a9Py1RUJA7JnfJyMyun1 UrCA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.101.10 with SMTP id a10mr3335255qao.5.1334846030319; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 07:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Sender: acolorado@gmail.com Received: by 10.229.138.80 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 07:33:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1334160489.3622.11.camel@sybil-gnome> <1334551826.2646.66.camel@sybil-gnome> <1334677919.4871.15.camel@sybil-gnome> <1334678969.4871.20.camel@sybil-gnome> <1334679841.4871.24.camel@sybil-gnome> <4F8FC353.50900@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:33:50 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: iDhwojM0DSuZ8AJZq74frIM9MDE Message-ID: Subject: Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Twitter Account From: Alexandro Colorado To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 4/19/12, Roberto Galoppini wrote: > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrot= e: >> On 4/19/12, Roberto Galoppini wrote: >>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Alexandro Colorado >>> wrote: >>>> On 4/19/12, Rob Weir wrote: >>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Alexandro Colorado >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> On 4/19/12, Rob Weir wrote: >>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Ian Lynch >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> On 19 April 2012 11:34, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> What is your concern here? >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> Rob contacted me on the matter, and I reply back into the thre= ad >>>>>>>>> >> and >>>>>>>>> >> now he said that nobody replied and refer to his decisions as >>>>>>>>> >> we, >>>>>>>>> >> when >>>>>>>>> >> he is the one alone making how things are shaping. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Alexandro are you actually the maintainer of the @openofficeorg >>>>>>>>> > account? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> yes I am. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > If this is the case, guess we could go in a different direction= , >>>>>>>>> > if >>>>>>>>> > not I guess the only option we have at this time is to create >>>>>>>>> > another >>>>>>>>> > one. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My point is exactly that, Rob did contact me about the issue then >>>>>>>>> said >>>>>>>>> nobody reply to him. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Seems @openofficeorg has 1500 followers already. Unless there is >>>>>>>> another >>>>>>>> twitter account with more followers, I can't see much logic in not >>>>>>>> simply >>>>>>>> building around this account. Just need some strategic tweets so w= e >>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>> followers to retweet and get more followers. If Alexandro is willi= ng >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> maintain this as a PPMC member, what is the problem? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have asked Alexandro many times over several months whether he >>>>>>> would >>>>>>> put that Twitter account under the control of the AOO PPMC, rather >>>>>>> than treat it as his personal account. He has not agreed to do >>>>>>> this,so I've made a new account which I am putting under PPMC >>>>>>> control. >>>>>>> We've had this discussion, in open, on this list. >>>>>> >>>>>> I dont remember having this discussion with you. So what are you >>>>>> talking >>>>>> about? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In this thread, on this list and several times. >>>>> >>>>> For example, 8 days ago I wrote: >>>>> >>>>> "Hi Alexandro -- Is the above your Twitter account? If so, would you >>>>> be willing to contribute it to the AOO project, so we can rebrand it >>>>> and allow other PMC members to have write access to it, etc.?" >>>>> >>>>> You didn't seem to understand that, perhaps due to my poor >>>>> description. So I described in more detail what I was looking for: >>>>> >>>>> "By "contribute to the AOO project" I mean give control to the AOO PM= C, >>>>> so we can use it as a project-wide account, similar to how we treat >>>>> the blog: >>>>> >>>>> -- Any PPMC member, upon request, can have write access. >>>>> >>>>> -- We can use the project's official logo in conjunction with the >>>>> account. >>>>> >>>>> -- We would promote the account on our project's website. >>>>> >>>>> -- We would generally treat the account as an official voice of the >>>>> project, not as a personal account." >>>>> >>>>> Again, no response. Instead of giving a straightforward yes or no >>>>> answer, you changed the subject to debating support questions via >>>>> Twitter. >>>> >>>> Which means that I want to discuss this first before moving the >>>> account or creating a new one. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Is the question I'm asking clear? >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've done the work. I've done the research. I've worked this >>>>>>> through >>>>>>> the community. I've created the account. I've applied the Apache >>>>>>> branding. I've signed up other PPMC members to have access to this >>>>>>> account. I've updated the website. >>>>>> >>>>>> Then what you mean with 'I never recieved a reply'. Rob you are acti= ng >>>>>> on your own, and that is really not good for the community not your >>>>>> reputation of power grabber. Is very skewed the way you reffer >>>>>> yourself as 'we', when is only you acting on your own behalf. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm not acting on my own at all. I'm creating an account for use by >>>>> any PPMC member who want to volunteer to help with this Twitter >>>>> account. I'm discussing how we use Twitter and Google+ as a project, >>>> >>>> Great but we had that already. Why are you duplicating efforts? >>> >>> Ok, if I understand it right you're open to provide the PPMC with the >>> ability to control that account, that means allign the logo, >>> description, etc to what the PPMC thinks is appropriate, as well as to >>> have other PPMC members to join the club and tweet. >>> >>> Is it correct? If not please ask questions you believe went unanswered. >> >> The point I made before, was about dealing how will structured be >> handled. I don't think sharing credentials is a good practice. (is >> like sharing root password through many users). After I understand the >> methodology I will contribute the account credentials to >> infrastructure. > > Agree 100% on the security side. So, what is needed from us to move > things on, what's missing on our part? Well before cotweet service use to work in this situations having multiple mantainers, cotweet has change its business model as of feb 15 and the others are also non-free or beta stage. We will need to look and try services that will allow us to have multiple account contributors. I have done my search and at the moment the only reliable service is the one I mentioned before (Ping.fm) but only for twitter (no fb or G+). Ping.fm is only useful for publishing, not interacting with users, which is also a problem. BirdHeard seems to be beta and will eventually charge for this, so we need to look for a service that allow us for all to interact. > > Roberto > >> >>> I'm pretty sure people on this list are open to keep providing answers >>> to end-users, yet to make all necessary changes to have blog post news >>> as well as other news automated. Unless you see a problem with moving >>> in this direction, it seems like we are all on the same page. >>> >>> Roberto >>> >>>>> and I'm doing this openly on the public list. This is a topic I've >>>>> raised repeatedly on ooo-dev and ooo-private for several months. Now >>>>> that we are nearing release time for 3.4 it is time for moving forwar= d >>>>> with these proposals. >>>>> >>>>> "Acting on your own" sounds more like PPMC members who sit on such >>>>> accounts, treat them as personal accounts, and never offer them to th= e >>>>> PPMC, and never worked with the PPMC to make the best use of them. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Well these accounts were long before the PPMC ever existed, and at the >>>> same time, were available for the group before there was a PPMC. PPMC >>>> can join in anytime they want. But like I mentioned, the service to >>>> handled this is no longer available, and we need to tie them to a new >>>> service. >>>> >>>> Again if all fails, you can always email me the post to be launched. I >>>> dont see a dealbreaker. But acting like nobody replied to you, is a >>>> skewed message for everybody. >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is not about how many people follow the account. The question >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> purely about which account can be under PPMC control and thus be th= e >>>>>>> official account. >>>>>> >>>>>> What you mean with PPMC control, I am a PPMC and I control the >>>>>> account. So what exactly is the issue here? Do you want to have >>>>>> control of the account? If so please say so and not act as a 'we' wh= en >>>>>> is an 'I'. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Having it controlled by a single PPMC member is not the same as "unde= r >>>>> PPMC control". That is not what I am aiming for at all. >>>> >>>> Agreed, thats why I want more information on how can we achieved PPMC >>>> control and what is the timeframe. I thought that's what we were >>>> discussing before you claiming you never received any reply from the >>>> account owner. >>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Rob >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Ian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, >>>>>>>> Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England an= d >>>>>>>> Wales. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Alexandro Colorado >>>>>> OpenOffice.org Espa=C3=B1ol >>>>>> http://es.openoffice.org >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Alexandro Colorado >>>> OpenOffice.org Espa=C3=B1ol >>>> http://es.openoffice.org >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D >>> This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. >>> It >>> may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the >>> intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, >>> distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachment(s) is strictl= y >>> prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediate= ly >>> notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the message and >>> any >>> attachment(s) from your system. Thank you. >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Alexandro Colorado >> OpenOffice.org Espa=C3=B1ol >> http://es.openoffice.org > =3D=3D=3D=3D > This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. I= t > may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the > intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, > distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachment(s) is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately > notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the message and a= ny > attachment(s) from your system. Thank you. > > --=20 Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Espa=C3=B1ol http://es.openoffice.org