Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 700F29BCF for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 23:01:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 18331 invoked by uid 500); 17 Apr 2012 23:01:34 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 18278 invoked by uid 500); 17 Apr 2012 23:01:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 18270 invoked by uid 99); 17 Apr 2012 23:01:34 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 23:01:34 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (athena.apache.org: 66.94.237.94 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of kay.schenk@gmail.com) Received: from [66.94.237.94] (HELO nm29.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.94) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with SMTP; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 23:01:26 +0000 Received: from [66.94.237.197] by nm29.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2012 23:01:06 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.51] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2012 23:01:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp104.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2012 23:01:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 951638.33018.bm@smtp104.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: EqrHHlYVM1nDgtvRsNkElSSfshqwRp7LfMd112q9pp76EN6 5MazHxSPLmc5jo9rQ7Zzo9dK3Q0nQ7gliTUcD3OyIWj79bIvfcYCsn5x0mV. 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Hamilton wrote: > Short answer: At Apache, release candidates are not releases and > don't appear anywhere that releases do. With respect to the outside > world, they are unofficial, intermediate work. > > - Dennis > > This is my understanding: > > The RC artifacts are made available the same way as developer > snapshots and previews. (If you look at the links, you'll see that > the RC1 artifacts are on the release manager's Apache account.) > > The difference is that a release candidate is packaged in the form of > artifacts on which release votes happen. When a release vote is held > and passes, those are the artifacts that will then be put up as a > release, populated on mirrors, etc. yes, OK, perfectly clear... and the "usual" I think > > Since these candidates are not releases, it is inappropriate to > notify the user base, make an ASF announcement, etc. They should not > be provided at the download page either. > > In some sense, there is a feature and code freeze in effect for the > release, except for any necessary repairs that require a new > candidate to be produced. The need for repair can come about as part > of the in-Apache review of the candidate and independently as the > result of a release-blocking defect reported by anyone. > > Because of that level of stability, this is a time when investment of > any volunteer testing, trial use, etc., is valuable in both how the > candidate deploys and how it is usable. It's not a moving target and > additional explorations are well-spent, especially for any > show-stopper that is uncovered. got it...which is also why the packs available on the wiki are called "unofficial" developer snapshots rather than "official" developer snapshots I think. Really, this is a VERY confusing point for me. :( > > - Dennis > > -----Original Message----- From: drew [mailto:drew@baseanswers.com] > > > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 14:21 > To: dennis.hamilton@acm.org Cc: OOo-dev Apache Incubator; 'Louis > Suárez-Potts' Subject: Re: Expanding Review and Contributions as AOO > 3.4 Approaches > > Howdy, > > I have a few basic questions - sorry if this has been covered and I > missed it. > > How extensive an announcement are we looking for with this? > > The files are not on the mirror system at this moment, right, so > it's premature to blast out to the full user base, correct? > > Will the RC files go to the mirrors, BTW, and I suppose in the same > question - will the download pages on the main ooo site be used for > RC as in the past? If so then that is the point at which we want to > promote the RC more broadly, so I would think. > > Thanks, > > //drew > > > On Mon, 2012-04-16 at 13:37 -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > > > [ ... ] > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MzK "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." -- Robert Heinlein