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From Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Pages in the social media
Date Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:12:21 GMT
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org> wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
>> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org> wrote:
>>> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org>
wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org>
wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org>
wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org>
wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Andrea Pescetti <pescetti@apache.org>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am not sure what you mean by time is running out.
Even if release
>>>>>>>>>> date approaches there is no deadline to talk strategy
and a good tool
>>>>>>>>>> to manage more than publish.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When OpenOffice 3.4 is released, it is very likely that
the press releases
>>>>>>>>> will contain links to the "main" or "official" Apache
OpenOffice channels;
>>>>>>>>> it wouldn't make sense to change them later and it is
obvious that we can
>>>>>>>>> advertise only channels that are under control of several
PPMC members.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But the official ones are already set up.  We've already
had this
>>>>>>>> discussion.  The accounts are set up and they have already
been shared
>>>>>>>> with the PPMC .  We already have several PPMC co-authors
on them.
>>>>>>>> They are already linked to on the website.  Announcements
have already
>>>>>>>> gone out to ooo-announce.  They are already in the AOO 3.4
>>>>>>>> announcement draft.  Content is going out on these channels,
from the
>>>>>>>> PPMC, on a daily basis.  This is all already done, in preparation
for
>>>>>>>> the AOO 3.4 launch.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It would be good if you close those accounts and work with the
ones
>>>>>>> that were already working. Like I said before doesnt make sense
to
>>>>>>> duplicate efforts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like your Google+ page that has not had a post since last November?
>>>>>> What is your excuse there?   Google+ has integrated multi-author
>>>>>> support.  You don't need to spend months "investigating" alternative
>>>>>> tooling.  It is already there.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are free to investigate and post there as well. The info has been
>>>>> public since 2 years ago on how to post. there is no need to actually
>>>>> go through creating new accounts.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To me it looks like you are merely hoarding.  You signed up for
that
>>>>>> account on the exact day that Google enabled business pages on
>>>>>> Google+.  But then you did nothing with it but sit on it.  You've
made
>>>>>> zero effort to enable the PPMC to work with these accounts.   You
>>>>>> started zero threads on how best to use the account.  You've made
zero
>>>>>> offers to share access with the PPMC.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> When google plus started there was no way on ad-hoc users to it, now
>>>>> the Google plus account have 7 managers that can post at any time.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If it didn't happen on the list it didn't happen.  Please show me the
>>>> thread where you  asked for PPMC members to volunteer for that
>>>> account, and where they responded.
>>>
>>> Please show me the thread where PPMC members asked to help for those accounts.
>>>
>>
>> I'd recommend you read up on the thread "AOOo, social networking
>> sites, cyber-squatting, etc." from last October.  You've had 6 months
>> to share these accounts with the PPMC.  You've had 6 months to
>> "investigate" how to share these accounts with the PPMC.  It took me
>> less than 24 hours to figure it out for the new accounts.   Again,
>> those who share openly will see their ventures succeed.  Those who
>> hoard will not.
>
>
> There has been lots of content being provided on the twitter account,
> and 6 months ago there was a group service for multiples to manage the
> account. G+ didnt provide such functionality when it came out. So
> there was no mechanism to add new managers. Again, if you knew there
> was a problem, you could easily fix it by sending a notification to
> the account or propose a third party service that solves the issue.
> Clonning the account doesn't really makes a solution.
>

Since that time, how many AOO project blog posts have you promoted on
the Google+ page?  How many times have you mentioned progress in the
AOO 3.4 release?  How many times did you mention that the RC was ready
for testing?  Where did you mention that the support forums were now
hosted by Apache?  Where did you do anything?

These things should not require that I "send a notification" to you.
This is brain-dead obvious.  A social networking site for the project
should be talking about the progress of the project.  This should not
require prodding from the PPMC for it to happen.  It should just
happen naturally by anyone who is acting in the best interests of the
PPMC.  Of course, if you are just hoarding then you will snap up these
accounts and sit on them with zero activity in 6 months.

In any case, the past is past.  I don't care what you've done before.
It is clear that you've done nothing in 6 months with that account,
whereas I've integrated the new account into the project, and I've
done this in a transparent, inclusive manner.   I'll assume that this
is not just a control issue for you and that you'll be happy to post a
message in your unused and untouched Google+ page and direct those
followers over to the new one.

In return, and to demonstrate that this is not about control on my
part,  I'm happy to listen to any proposal you might have regarding
open PPMC access to the Twitter account.  And if you make your Twitter
account just as openly available to PPMC members as I've done with the
new one, then I'll be happy to notify followers of the new Twitter
account that they should follow the one that you turn over to PPMC
control.  Fair enough?  This is not about personal control. It is
about putting social networking accounts that use ASF trademarks under
ASF custody.

-Rob

>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
>>>> -Rob
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I said before, hoarding is a losing strategy at Apache.  Those
who
>>>>>> share will see their DNA survive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This isn't about personal control.  This is about sharing.
 Those who
>>>>>>>> hoard will be passed by and left behind.  Those who work
through the
>>>>>>>> process and openly share and enable others with see their
initiatives
>>>>>>>> succeed.  It is that simple.  You cannot control by withholding.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you (or any other PPMC member) would like to be added
as a
>>>>>>>> co-author to the Twitter or Google+ account, please let me
know and I
>>>>>>>> will add you immediately.  If you want to be an author on
the Facebook
>>>>>>>> group, talk to Raphael.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At that point, everybody, from the PPMC or not, will
still be welcome to
>>>>>>>>> open a channel dedicated to OpenOffice (respecting the
trademark policy),
>>>>>>>>> but these channels would be "secondary" or "unofficial".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>  Andrea.

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