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From Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [WWW] two questions about DL button on home page...
Date Wed, 25 Apr 2012 21:29:19 GMT
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 04/25/2012 10:03 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Kay Schenk<kay.schenk@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 6:48 AM, Rob Weir<robweir@apache.org>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Marcus (OOo)<marcus.mail@wtnet.de>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 04/24/2012 11:09 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 04/24/2012 01:05 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 04/24/2012 07:54 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all--
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Right now, when I click on "I want to download OpenOffice",
I don't
>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> expanded green button I was getting last week, for example.
I had
>>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>> changes to this a week or so ago, but the changes that I
>>>>>>>> incorporated,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> the green button itself were just fine after that. I think
my
>>>>>>>> current
>>>>>>>> experience may be due to a problem with getting the mirror
link but
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>> to confirm this in a bit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, question #1.
>>>>>>>> I would like someone else to try this and let the list know
what
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> results are -- are you getting the expanded green button
or being
>>>>>>>> shuttled
>>>>>>>> to /download/index.html instead?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Question #2. If you're not getting the DL button, or even
if you
>>>>>>>> are,
>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>> strongly do you feel about having the expanding button, or
would
>>>>>>>> just
>>>>
>>>> a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> jump to /download/index.html be just as good?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know there was a LOT of discussion when this design first
emerged,
>>>>>>>> but,
>>>>>>>> it would much much easier for changes in DL code -- Rob's
proposal
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> unification of yesterday for instance -- if we could just
dump this
>>>>>>>> "internal" DL button on the home page. Yes, the buttons are
the same
>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>> eye anyway on both the main index.html page and /download/index.html
>>>>
>>>> but
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the html implementation is different, different enough that
both
>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>> areas need to be changed when changes are needed. Additionally,
>>>>>>>> dumping the
>>>>>>>> "generated" button on the home page would allow us to standardize
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> easily on incorporating the DL button -- the code used on
>>>>>>>> /download/index.html -- on other pages like the NL pages.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for looking at this and responding.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It seems Rob's last commit (r1329501 - "Remove unneeded GA code")
has
>>>>>>> removed accidently also the toggle mode for the download button.
This
>>>>
>>>> is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> done via JavaScript, too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've repaired it as the expanded donwload button is IMHO a nice
>>>>
>>>> feature.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marcus
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marcus--Thanks for this...but...it would be really really helpful
if
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> could just do away with this approach.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm going to work on the underpinnings in /download today, and not
the
>>>>>> home page, so I'll wait to hear from a few others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So far, it looks like we've got 2 to "remove/OK with removing it"
(me,
>>>>>> Dave), and 1 not to remove (you).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course we can remove the toggle feature for the green box. Lets see
>>>>
>>>> what
>>>>>
>>>>> others say.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've just re-enabled it because the effort was really minimal.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What are the arguments for and against?
>>>>
>>>
>>> For:
>>> I think the argument FOR the inclusion of the expanding DL button on the
>>> home page was the idea of having the DL available "right there" for them.
>>> Still, unlike other sites which would automatically display the
>>> appropriate
>>> DL immediately, the user must click on the DL area of the page to "get"
>>> the
>>> green DL button, so I question the former reasoning.
>>>
>>
>>  From the homepage, it is the same number of mouse clicks to download
>> either way, right?    We don't save any clicks by dynamically
>> expanding the DL button on the home page.
>
>
> yes...this is correct -- same number of clicks...
>
>
>>
>>> On the "against" side.
>>> * We bring in a bunch of additional JS to the home page which we wouldn't
>>> need if the "I want to download..." simply went to download/index.html.
>>> * None of the other links on the home page work like this -- they all
>>> take
>>> you someplace else
>>> * In theory, editing changes to make download/index.html work should
>>> should
>>> port to the DL button on the home page, but for some reason, I,
>>> personally
>>> have had issues with this in the past, I don't remember why
>>> * You can not, based on how the button is currently constructed on the
>>> home
>>> page, just  pop-in something to make this happen -- some of the JS needed
>>> must live on the home page to make things work. Well maybe you can and I
>>> just don't know how to do this.
>>> * Changes made to the current DL logic (and really this whole process in
>>> terms of coding REALLY needs further evaluation)  like function names and
>>> arguments to them, etc. need to be ported to two areas rather than one.
>>>
>>
>> IMHO, if we have a a dedicated download page we can improve it over
>> time.  Having more screen real-estate would allow us to make install
>> instructions more prominent and give other helpful information.
>> Eventually the thing on the home page will be comparatively less
>> helpful.
>
>
> I agree -- just making the few changes we did recently was, while not
> difficult, took some futzing on the home page DL button to make things LOOK
> a bit nicer. And, I don't like making unnecessary changes ON the home page.
> :/
>
>
>>
>>> My .02
>>>
>>> At this stage of this project's existence, I think we need to concentrate
>>> on minimizing complexity.
>>>
>>
>> My life lesson:  Only start a garden as large as you are able care for.
>
>
> EXACTLY! We definitely need to consider the number, time and skills of the
> gardeners in this case! ;]
>
> so? conclusion?
>

So far it looks like the support is for making this be a link to the
download page.   That is my preference as well.   But let's let the
earth turn and see if anyone else has thoughts.

-Rob

>
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>>
>>>> Aside from a good user experience, my interest is in having clean,
>>>> unifiied download logic, to support an overall download policy,
>>>> including how we mirror, how we track statistics, how we route and how
>>>> we recommend downloads based on request headers.
>>>>
>>>> -Rob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Marecus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> MzK
>>>
>>> "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
>>>  And life has a funny way of helping you out
>>>  Helping you out."
>>>                            -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette
>
>
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> MzK
>
> "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
>  And life has a funny way of helping you out
>  Helping you out."
>                            -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette

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