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From Ian Lynch <ianrly...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Twitter Account
Date Thu, 19 Apr 2012 15:06:44 GMT
On 19 April 2012 15:52, Alexandro Colorado <jza@apache.org> wrote:

> On 4/19/12, Roberto Galoppini <rgaloppini@geek.net> wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Alexandro Colorado <jza@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> On 4/19/12, Roberto Galoppini <rgaloppini@geek.net> wrote:
> >>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Alexandro Colorado <jza@apache.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> On 4/19/12, Roberto Galoppini <rgaloppini@geek.net> wrote:
> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Alexandro Colorado <jza@apache.org>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> On 4/19/12, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Alexandro Colorado <
> jza@apache.org>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 4/19/12, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Ian Lynch <ianrlynch@gmail.com
> >
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 19 April 2012 11:34, Alexandro Colorado <jza@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What is your concern here?
> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Rob contacted me on the matter,
and I reply back into the
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> thread
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> and
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> now he said that nobody replied
and refer to his decisions
> as
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> we,
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> when
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> he is the one alone making how
things are shaping.
> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> > Alexandro are you actually the maintainer
of the
> @openofficeorg
> >>>>>>>>>>> > account?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> yes I am.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> > If this is the case, guess we could
go in a different
> >>>>>>>>>>> > direction,
> >>>>>>>>>>> > if
> >>>>>>>>>>> > not I guess the only option we have
at this time is to create
> >>>>>>>>>>> > another
> >>>>>>>>>>> > one.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> My point is exactly that, Rob did contact
me about the issue
> then
> >>>>>>>>>>> said
> >>>>>>>>>>> nobody reply to him.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Seems @openofficeorg has 1500 followers already.
Unless there is
> >>>>>>>>>> another
> >>>>>>>>>> twitter account with more followers, I can't
see much logic in
> not
> >>>>>>>>>> simply
> >>>>>>>>>> building around this account. Just need some
strategic tweets so
> >>>>>>>>>> we
> >>>>>>>>>> can
> >>>>>>>>>> get
> >>>>>>>>>> followers to retweet and get more followers.
If Alexandro is
> >>>>>>>>>> willing
> >>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>> maintain this as a PPMC member, what is the
problem?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I have asked Alexandro many times over several months
whether he
> >>>>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>>> put that Twitter account under the control of the
AOO PPMC,
> rather
> >>>>>>>>> than treat it as his personal account.  He has not
agreed to do
> >>>>>>>>> this,so I've made a new account which I am putting
under PPMC
> >>>>>>>>> control.
> >>>>>>>>>  We've had this discussion, in open, on this list.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I dont remember having this discussion with you. So
what are you
> >>>>>>>> talking
> >>>>>>>> about?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In this thread, on this list and several times.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> For example, 8 days ago I wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "Hi Alexandro -- Is the above your Twitter account?  If
so, would
> you
> >>>>>>> be willing to contribute it to the AOO project, so we can
rebrand
> it
> >>>>>>> and allow other PMC members to have write access to it,
etc.?"
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You didn't seem to understand that, perhaps due to my poor
> >>>>>>> description.  So I described in more detail what I was looking
for:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "By "contribute to the AOO project" I mean give control
to the AOO
> >>>>>>> PMC,
> >>>>>>> so we can use it as a project-wide account, similar to how
we treat
> >>>>>>> the blog:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -- Any PPMC member, upon request, can have write access.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -- We can use the project's official logo in conjunction
with the
> >>>>>>> account.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -- We would promote the account on our project's website.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -- We would generally treat the account as an official voice
of the
> >>>>>>> project, not as a personal account."
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Again, no response.  Instead of giving a straightforward
yes or no
> >>>>>>> answer, you changed the subject to debating support questions
via
> >>>>>>> Twitter.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Which means that I want to discuss this first before moving
the
> >>>>>> account or creating a new one.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Is the question I'm asking clear?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I've done the work.  I've done the research.  I've
worked this
> >>>>>>>>> through
> >>>>>>>>> the community.  I've created the account.  I've
applied the
> Apache
> >>>>>>>>> branding.  I've signed up other PPMC members to
have access to
> this
> >>>>>>>>> account.  I've updated the website.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Then what you mean with 'I never recieved a reply'.
Rob you are
> >>>>>>>> acting
> >>>>>>>> on your own, and that is really not good for the community
not
> your
> >>>>>>>> reputation of power grabber.  Is very skewed the way
you reffer
> >>>>>>>> yourself as 'we', when is only you acting on your own
behalf.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm not acting on my own at all.  I'm creating an account
for use
> by
> >>>>>>> any PPMC member who want to volunteer to help with this
Twitter
> >>>>>>> account.  I'm discussing how we use Twitter and Google+
as a
> project,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Great but we had that already. Why are you duplicating efforts?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ok, if I understand it right you're open to provide the PPMC with
the
> >>>>> ability to control that account, that means allign the logo,
> >>>>> description, etc to what the PPMC thinks is appropriate, as well
as
> to
> >>>>> have other PPMC members to join the club and tweet.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Is it correct? If not please ask questions you believe went
> unanswered.
> >>>>
> >>>> The point I made before, was about dealing how will structured be
> >>>> handled. I don't think sharing credentials is a good practice. (is
> >>>> like sharing root password through many users). After I understand the
> >>>> methodology I will contribute the account credentials to
> >>>> infrastructure.
> >>>
> >>> Agree 100% on the security side. So, what is needed from us to move
> >>> things on, what's missing on our part?
> >>
> >> Well before cotweet service use to work in this situations having
> >> multiple mantainers, cotweet has change its business model as of feb
> >> 15 and the others are also non-free or beta stage. We will need to
> >> look and try services that will allow us to have multiple account
> >> contributors. I have done my search and at the moment the only
> >> reliable service is the one I mentioned before (Ping.fm) but only for
> >> twitter (no fb or G+).
> >>
> >> Ping.fm is only useful for publishing, not interacting with users,
> >> which is also a problem. BirdHeard seems to be beta and will
> >> eventually charge for this, so we need to look for a service that
> >> allow us for all to interact.
> >
> > Just give Infra control, and let them sort out those details.
> > Unless you don't trust Infra - hope not - this seems to me the best
> > thing to do to share it.
>
> Is not a matter of trust but responsiveness. We need authentication to
> setup these things, infra will slow down the process. At the same time
> I do wonder how the ASF and other accounts is being handled currently.
>
> i dont get the necessity of setting the account up for PPMC at the
> moment. If there is a need to publish announcement, they can use
> Ping.fm already.


So you are suggesting that we use the Ping.fm until we can find a better
method or indeed do it through Infra? That should satisfy all needs. We
would have immediacy - just do it and we have the longer term delegation of
the account admin. to Infra.

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