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From Alexandro Colorado <...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Twitter Account
Date Thu, 19 Apr 2012 15:57:54 GMT
On 4/19/12, Ian Lynch <ianrlynch@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 19 April 2012 15:52, Alexandro Colorado <jza@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On 4/19/12, Roberto Galoppini <rgaloppini@geek.net> wrote:
>> > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Alexandro Colorado <jza@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >> On 4/19/12, Roberto Galoppini <rgaloppini@geek.net> wrote:
>> >>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Alexandro Colorado <jza@apache.org>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>> On 4/19/12, Roberto Galoppini <rgaloppini@geek.net> wrote:
>> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Alexandro Colorado <jza@apache.org>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>> On 4/19/12, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Alexandro Colorado
<
>> jza@apache.org>
>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> On 4/19/12, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org>
wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Ian Lynch
<ianrlynch@gmail.com
>> >
>> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>> On 19 April 2012 11:34, Alexandro Colorado
<jza@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What is your concern here?
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Rob contacted me on the matter,
and I reply back into the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> thread
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> and
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> now he said that nobody replied
and refer to his decisions
>> as
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> we,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> when
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> he is the one alone making
how things are shaping.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> > Alexandro are you actually the
maintainer of the
>> @openofficeorg
>> >>>>>>>>>>> > account?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> yes I am.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> > If this is the case, guess we could
go in a different
>> >>>>>>>>>>> > direction,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> > if
>> >>>>>>>>>>> > not I guess the only option we
have at this time is to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> > create
>> >>>>>>>>>>> > another
>> >>>>>>>>>>> > one.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> My point is exactly that, Rob did contact
me about the issue
>> then
>> >>>>>>>>>>> said
>> >>>>>>>>>>> nobody reply to him.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Seems @openofficeorg has 1500 followers
already. Unless there
>> >>>>>>>>>> is
>> >>>>>>>>>> another
>> >>>>>>>>>> twitter account with more followers, I can't
see much logic in
>> not
>> >>>>>>>>>> simply
>> >>>>>>>>>> building around this account. Just need
some strategic tweets
>> >>>>>>>>>> so
>> >>>>>>>>>> we
>> >>>>>>>>>> can
>> >>>>>>>>>> get
>> >>>>>>>>>> followers to retweet and get more followers.
If Alexandro is
>> >>>>>>>>>> willing
>> >>>>>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>>>>> maintain this as a PPMC member, what is
the problem?
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I have asked Alexandro many times over several
months whether he
>> >>>>>>>>> would
>> >>>>>>>>> put that Twitter account under the control of
the AOO PPMC,
>> rather
>> >>>>>>>>> than treat it as his personal account.  He has
not agreed to do
>> >>>>>>>>> this,so I've made a new account which I am putting
under PPMC
>> >>>>>>>>> control.
>> >>>>>>>>>  We've had this discussion, in open, on this
list.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I dont remember having this discussion with you.
So what are you
>> >>>>>>>> talking
>> >>>>>>>> about?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> In this thread, on this list and several times.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> For example, 8 days ago I wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> "Hi Alexandro -- Is the above your Twitter account?
 If so, would
>> you
>> >>>>>>> be willing to contribute it to the AOO project, so we
can rebrand
>> it
>> >>>>>>> and allow other PMC members to have write access to
it, etc.?"
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> You didn't seem to understand that, perhaps due to my
poor
>> >>>>>>> description.  So I described in more detail what I was
looking
>> >>>>>>> for:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> "By "contribute to the AOO project" I mean give control
to the AOO
>> >>>>>>> PMC,
>> >>>>>>> so we can use it as a project-wide account, similar
to how we
>> >>>>>>> treat
>> >>>>>>> the blog:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> -- Any PPMC member, upon request, can have write access.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> -- We can use the project's official logo in conjunction
with the
>> >>>>>>> account.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> -- We would promote the account on our project's website.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> -- We would generally treat the account as an official
voice of
>> >>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>> project, not as a personal account."
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Again, no response.  Instead of giving a straightforward
yes or no
>> >>>>>>> answer, you changed the subject to debating support
questions via
>> >>>>>>> Twitter.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Which means that I want to discuss this first before moving
the
>> >>>>>> account or creating a new one.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Is the question I'm asking clear?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I've done the work.  I've done the research.
 I've worked this
>> >>>>>>>>> through
>> >>>>>>>>> the community.  I've created the account.  I've
applied the
>> Apache
>> >>>>>>>>> branding.  I've signed up other PPMC members
to have access to
>> this
>> >>>>>>>>> account.  I've updated the website.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Then what you mean with 'I never recieved a reply'.
Rob you are
>> >>>>>>>> acting
>> >>>>>>>> on your own, and that is really not good for the
community not
>> your
>> >>>>>>>> reputation of power grabber.  Is very skewed the
way you reffer
>> >>>>>>>> yourself as 'we', when is only you acting on your
own behalf.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I'm not acting on my own at all.  I'm creating an account
for use
>> by
>> >>>>>>> any PPMC member who want to volunteer to help with this
Twitter
>> >>>>>>> account.  I'm discussing how we use Twitter and Google+
as a
>> project,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Great but we had that already. Why are you duplicating efforts?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Ok, if I understand it right you're open to provide the PPMC
with
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>> ability to control that account, that means allign the logo,
>> >>>>> description, etc to what the PPMC thinks is appropriate, as
well as
>> to
>> >>>>> have other PPMC members to join the club and tweet.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Is it correct? If not please ask questions you believe went
>> unanswered.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The point I made before, was about dealing how will structured be
>> >>>> handled. I don't think sharing credentials is a good practice. (is
>> >>>> like sharing root password through many users). After I understand
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> methodology I will contribute the account credentials to
>> >>>> infrastructure.
>> >>>
>> >>> Agree 100% on the security side. So, what is needed from us to move
>> >>> things on, what's missing on our part?
>> >>
>> >> Well before cotweet service use to work in this situations having
>> >> multiple mantainers, cotweet has change its business model as of feb
>> >> 15 and the others are also non-free or beta stage. We will need to
>> >> look and try services that will allow us to have multiple account
>> >> contributors. I have done my search and at the moment the only
>> >> reliable service is the one I mentioned before (Ping.fm) but only for
>> >> twitter (no fb or G+).
>> >>
>> >> Ping.fm is only useful for publishing, not interacting with users,
>> >> which is also a problem. BirdHeard seems to be beta and will
>> >> eventually charge for this, so we need to look for a service that
>> >> allow us for all to interact.
>> >
>> > Just give Infra control, and let them sort out those details.
>> > Unless you don't trust Infra - hope not - this seems to me the best
>> > thing to do to share it.
>>
>> Is not a matter of trust but responsiveness. We need authentication to
>> setup these things, infra will slow down the process. At the same time
>> I do wonder how the ASF and other accounts is being handled currently.
>>
>> i dont get the necessity of setting the account up for PPMC at the
>> moment. If there is a need to publish announcement, they can use
>> Ping.fm already.
>
>
> So you are suggesting that we use the Ping.fm until we can find a better
> method or indeed do it through Infra? That should satisfy all needs. We
> would have immediacy - just do it and we have the longer term delegation of
> the account admin. to Infra.

Yes, I think we can  all contribute through Ping.fm, until we settle a
service that will allow us interaction. Once we have stabilization we
can pass it to infra.

>
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Alexandro Colorado
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