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From Alexandro Colorado <...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Twitter Account
Date Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:10:03 GMT
On 4/19/12, Roberto Galoppini <rgaloppini@geek.net> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Alexandro Colorado <jza@apache.org> wrote:
>> On 4/19/12, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Alexandro Colorado <jza@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 4/19/12, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Ian Lynch <ianrlynch@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On 19 April 2012 11:34, Alexandro Colorado <jza@apache.org>
wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What is your concern here?
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Rob contacted me on the matter, and I reply back into
the thread
>>>>>>> >> and
>>>>>>> >> now he said that nobody replied and refer to his decisions
as we,
>>>>>>> >> when
>>>>>>> >> he is the one alone making how things are shaping.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Alexandro are you actually the maintainer of the @openofficeorg
>>>>>>> > account?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yes I am.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > If this is the case, guess we could go in a different direction,
if
>>>>>>> > not I guess the only option we have at this time is to create
>>>>>>> > another
>>>>>>> > one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My point is exactly that, Rob did contact me about the issue
then
>>>>>>> said
>>>>>>> nobody reply to him.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seems @openofficeorg has 1500 followers already. Unless there is
>>>>>> another
>>>>>> twitter account with more followers, I can't see much logic in not
>>>>>> simply
>>>>>> building around this account. Just need some strategic tweets so
we
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> followers to retweet and get more followers. If Alexandro is willing
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> maintain this as a PPMC member, what is the problem?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have asked Alexandro many times over several months whether he would
>>>>> put that Twitter account under the control of the AOO PPMC, rather
>>>>> than treat it as his personal account.  He has not agreed to do
>>>>> this,so I've made a new account which I am putting under PPMC control.
>>>>>  We've had this discussion, in open, on this list.
>>>>
>>>> I dont remember having this discussion with you. So what are you talking
>>>> about?
>>>>
>>>
>>> In this thread, on this list and several times.
>>>
>>> For example, 8 days ago I wrote:
>>>
>>> "Hi Alexandro -- Is the above your Twitter account?  If so, would you
>>> be willing to contribute it to the AOO project, so we can rebrand it
>>> and allow other PMC members to have write access to it, etc.?"
>>>
>>> You didn't seem to understand that, perhaps due to my poor
>>> description.  So I described in more detail what I was looking for:
>>>
>>> "By "contribute to the AOO project" I mean give control to the AOO PMC,
>>> so we can use it as a project-wide account, similar to how we treat
>>> the blog:
>>>
>>> -- Any PPMC member, upon request, can have write access.
>>>
>>> -- We can use the project's official logo in conjunction with the
>>> account.
>>>
>>> -- We would promote the account on our project's website.
>>>
>>> -- We would generally treat the account as an official voice of the
>>> project, not as a personal account."
>>>
>>> Again, no response.  Instead of giving a straightforward yes or no
>>> answer, you changed the subject to debating support questions via
>>> Twitter.
>>
>> Which means that I want to discuss this first before moving the
>> account or creating a new one.
>>
>>>
>>> Is the question I'm asking clear?
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've done the work.  I've done the research.  I've worked this through
>>>>> the community.  I've created the account.  I've applied the Apache
>>>>> branding.  I've signed up other PPMC members to have access to this
>>>>> account.  I've updated the website.
>>>>
>>>> Then what you mean with 'I never recieved a reply'. Rob you are acting
>>>> on your own, and that is really not good for the community not your
>>>> reputation of power grabber.  Is very skewed the way you reffer
>>>> yourself as 'we', when is only you acting on your own behalf.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not acting on my own at all.  I'm creating an account for use by
>>> any PPMC member who want to volunteer to help with this Twitter
>>> account.  I'm discussing how we use Twitter and Google+ as a project,
>>
>> Great but we had that already. Why are you duplicating efforts?
>
> Ok, if I understand it right you're open to provide the PPMC with the
> ability to control that account, that means allign the logo,
> description, etc to what the PPMC thinks is appropriate, as well as to
> have other PPMC members to join the club and tweet.
>
> Is it correct? If not please ask questions you believe went unanswered.

The point I made before, was about dealing how will structured be
handled. I don't think sharing credentials is a good practice. (is
like sharing root password through many users). After I understand the
methodology I will contribute the account credentials to
infrastructure.

> I'm pretty sure people on this list are open to keep providing answers
> to end-users, yet to make all necessary changes to have blog post news
> as well as other news automated. Unless you see a problem with moving
> in this direction, it seems like we are all on the same page.
>
> Roberto
>
>>> and I'm doing this openly on the public list.   This is a topic I've
>>> raised repeatedly on ooo-dev and ooo-private for several months.  Now
>>> that we are nearing release time for 3.4 it is time for moving forward
>>> with these proposals.
>>>
>>> "Acting on your own" sounds more like PPMC members who sit on such
>>> accounts, treat them as personal accounts, and never offer them to the
>>> PPMC, and never worked with the PPMC to make the best use of them.
>>>
>>
>> Well these accounts were long before the PPMC ever existed, and at the
>> same time, were available for the group before there was a PPMC. PPMC
>> can join in anytime they want. But like I mentioned, the service to
>> handled this is no longer available, and we need to tie them to a new
>> service.
>>
>> Again if all fails, you can always email me the post to be launched. I
>> dont see a dealbreaker. But acting like nobody replied to you, is a
>> skewed message for everybody.
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is not about how many people follow the account.  The question is
>>>>> purely about which account can be under PPMC control and thus be the
>>>>> official account.
>>>>
>>>> What you mean with PPMC control, I am a PPMC and I control the
>>>> account. So what exactly is the issue here? Do you want to have
>>>> control of the account? If so please say so and not act as a 'we' when
>>>> is an 'I'.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Having it controlled by a single PPMC member is not the same as "under
>>> PPMC control".  That is not what I am aiming for at all.
>>
>> Agreed, thats why I want more information on how can we achieved PPMC
>> control and what is the timeframe. I thought that's what we were
>> discussing before you claiming you never received any reply from the
>> account owner.
>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Ian
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Wales.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Alexandro Colorado
>>>> OpenOffice.org Español
>>>> http://es.openoffice.org
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Alexandro Colorado
>> OpenOffice.org Español
>> http://es.openoffice.org
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Alexandro Colorado
OpenOffice.org Español
http://es.openoffice.org

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