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From Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [RELEASE] new DL test...needs review and comments, and probably correction
Date Mon, 30 Apr 2012 23:43:40 GMT
Regina--

Thanks for all this work. Please see comments inline below...

On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Regina Henschel <rb.henschel@t-online.de>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> my test results are below, all on German WinXP Home, SP3.
>
> kind regards
> Regina
>
> Marcus (OOo) schrieb:
>
>  Am 04/30/2012 11:21 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 04/30/2012 11:37 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Am 04/30/2012 04:53 AM, schrieb Kay Schenk:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Kay Schenk<kay.schenk@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 04/27/2012 01:46 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Andrea Pescetti<pescetti@apache.org
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Kay Schenk wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please take a look at and give feedback on a test page
for the new
>>>>>>>>> /download/index.html page at:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/****download/test/index_new_dl.****html<http://www.openoffice.org/**download/test/index_new_dl.**html>
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.openoffice.**org/download/test/index_new_**dl.html<http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html>
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, it's a bit strange with lots of nonsense at the
top that I
>>>>>>>>> wanted
>>>>>>>>> you to see, but will of course go away in production.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The page is nice, but it's the concept that leaves me dubious.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We have another thread
>>>>>>>> http://comments.gmane.org/****gmane.comp.apache.incubator.**<http://comments.gmane.org/**gmane.comp.apache.incubator.**>
>>>>>>>> ooo.devel/16219<http://**comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.**
>>>>>>>> apache.incubator.ooo.devel/**16219<http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.ooo.devel/16219>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> where there seems to be consensus towards a solution that:
>>>>>>>> 1) Uses SF (and possibly Apache) for the web-based downloads
>>>>>>>> 2) Does not phase out MirrorBrain, and uses it for the updates
>>>>>>>> (i.e.,
>>>>>>>> downloads initiated by OpenOffice with the "Look for updates"
>>>>>>>> function)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  That's what I understand as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> oh -- OK. I thought we were going to use MirrorBrain for 3.3 DLs
as
>>>>>> well
>>>>>> -- i.e. what Marcus will be working on. I know right now, we're using
>>>>>> SourceForge for that though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  The "possibly Apache" in 1) is due to the fact that I haven't
>>>>>>> understood
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> yet
>>>>>>>> what technology Apache will be using and if Apache will distribute
>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>> sources or binaries too (it's obvious that we as a project
will
>>>>>>>> release
>>>>>>>> sources and binaries, but I'm not 100% sure that Apache wants
to put
>>>>>>>> binaries on its mirrors too: I think so).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Well it's not all that complicated actually. Take a look at
the
>>>>>> security
>>>>>> patch info page...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/****security/cves/CVE-2012-0037.****html<http://www.openoffice.org/**security/cves/CVE-2012-0037.**html>
>>>>>> <http://www.openoffice.**org/security/cves/CVE-2012-**0037.html<http://www.openoffice.org/security/cves/CVE-2012-0037.html>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and you can see what the link looks like.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actual source/binaries are, for us, put in:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.apache.org/dist/****incubator/ooo/<http://www.apache.org/dist/**incubator/ooo/>
>>>>>> <http://www.**apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/<http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/>
>>>>>> **>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This said, you could be right in having issues tracking down problems.
>>>>>> Right now, the SF setup is more "user friendly" in my opinion. I
>>>>>> thought we
>>>>>> were *required* to use Apache for downloads, but maybe we've gotten
a
>>>>>> dispensation for this release. Though I didn't think is was 100%
>>>>>> someplace
>>>>>> else. I admit I haven't kept up as much as I should have though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The other issue is how will it LOOK to users -- one moment they may
>>>>>> be one
>>>>>> place; if they happen to do a shift-reload, they may go someplace
>>>>>> else with
>>>>>> an entirely different look and feel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Fact is, we should avoid the random selection as much as possible,
>>>>>>>> mainly to
>>>>>>>> be able to quickly identify problems, and you will see details
in
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> thread. The cleaner separation we can get, the better.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  So how about something very simple:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) AOO 3.4 downloads use SourceForge by default from the
>>>>>>> /download/index.html page. Just like they are doing today.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> This WOULD make things a lot simpler.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  But we also have a links there that point to Apache mirrors for:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a) Hashes and detached signatures
>>>>>>> b) source distribution
>>>>>>> c) a link to the full release tree
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, SF will need to implement in their sidebar or the main page
for
>>>>>> openoffice.org they have, right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, good conversation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  In other words, no rolling the dice, noting fancy. 100% of normal
>>>>>>> users will download from SF.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2) When we enable the automated updates, in a week or two, then
we
>>>>>>> decide what we want to do. Maybe we do it via SF. Maybe MirrorBrain.
>>>>>>> Maybe a mix,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the other side, release time is approaching and I can only
hope
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> talks between Peter Poeml (MirrorBrain author) and Apache
Infra,
>>>>>>>> that had
>>>>>>>> started on this list, are progressing now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  I think it is too late for any of those talks to influence
how we
>>>>>>> deal
>>>>>>> with AOO 3.4 initial downloads. But maybe the update downloads
in a
>>>>>>> couple of weeks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Andrea.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  --
>>>>>> ------------------------------****----------------------------**--**
>>>>>> ------------
>>>>>> MzK
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
>>>>>> And life has a funny way of helping you out
>>>>>> Helping you out."
>>>>>> -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok, I am hoping this will be about the last, final review on the new
>>>>> download/index.html --
>>>>>
>>>>> prototype at:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://ooo-site.staging.**apache.org/download/test/**index_new_dl.html<http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html>
>>>>>
>>>>> This assumes SourceForge ONLY, and that the 3.4 pre-built client packs
>>>>> will be in the hiearchy as the 3.3 is -- stable, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Naturally NONE of the links will work until something gets out there
>>>>> and
>>>>> there is a TON of alerts which I will of course eventually comment out.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've tested the following:
>>>>
>>>> 1.
>>>> Linux with Firefox --> Linux x86-64 RPM de --> the text in the pop-ups
>>>> makes sense --> OK
>>>>
>>>> 2.
>>>> Windows XP with MSIE --> error --> the detailed error message says:
>>>>
>>>> Line: 104
>>>> Char: 1
>>>> Error: Identifier, string or number expected
>>>> Code: 0
>>>> URL: http://ooo-site.staging.**apache.org/download/test/**
>>>> index_new_dl.html<http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html>
>>>>
>>>> Line: 286
>>>> Char: 2
>>>> Error: 'languages' is not defined
>>>> Code: 0
>>>> URL: http://ooo-site.staging.**apache.org/download/test/**
>>>> index_new_dl.html<http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html>
>>>>
>>>> --> finally only a blue box for the extensions
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> hmmm...well I shouldn't have changed anything that caused this, but
>>> definitely NOT good. OK, thanks. What are you showing for your
>>> "language" -- i.e. according to your UA string?
>>>
>>
>> Good that you've asked. I remember that we have this webpage:
>>
>> http://www.openoffice.org/**download/test/analyze.html<http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/analyze.html>
>>
>> So, I've updated it a bit and nowI get the following browser data:
>>
>>
>>
>> window.location.href http://ooo-site.apache.org/**
>> download/test/analyze.html<http://ooo-site.apache.org/download/test/analyze.html>
>> navigator.platform Linux x86_64
>> navigator.platform.**toLowerCase() linux x86_64
>> navigator.userAgent Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:2.0.1)
>> Gecko/20100101 Firefox/4.0.1
>> navigator.userAgent.**toLowerCase() mozilla/5.0 (x11; linux x86_64;
>> rv:2.0.1) gecko/20100101 firefox/4.0.1
>> navigator.language de-DE
>> navigator.userLanguage undefined
>> navigator.systemLanguage undefined
>> navigator.javaEnabled() Yes
>>
>>
>>
>> window.location.href http://www.openoffice.org/**
>> download/test/analyze.html<http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/analyze.html>
>> navigator.platform Win32
>> navigator.platform.**toLowerCase() win32
>> navigator.userAgent Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1;
>> SV1)
>> navigator.userAgent.**toLowerCase() mozilla/4.0 (compatible; msie 6.0;
>> windows nt 5.1; sv1)
>> navigator.language undefined
>> navigator.userLanguage de
>> navigator.systemLanguage de
>> navigator.javaEnabled() Yes
>>
>>
>> It seems that on Linux the "navigator.language" is set. On Windows this
>> is not set but the "navigator.userLanguage" and
>> "navigator.systemLanguage". All 3 are handled in "download.js" (or in
>> your new "download_new_dl.js").
>>
>> Maybe it's helpful to output some debug messages around this area?
>>
>> @All:
>> Can others please test on Windows with MSIE and Firefox? I really hope
>> it's just my Windows XP (in a Virtualbox VM).
>>
>
>

> With Opera 11.62
> =============================
>
> Calling http://ooo-site.staging.**apache.org/download/test/**
> index_new_dl.html<http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html>
>
> The green download box is missing totally.
>
> Calling http://www.openoffice.org/**download/test/analyze.html<http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/analyze.html>
> results in
>
> navigator.platform: Win32
> navigator.UserAgent: Opera/9.80 (Windows NT 5.1; U; de) Presto/2.10.229
> Version/11.62
> navigator.UserAgent lower case: opera/9.80 (windows nt 5.1; u; de)
> presto/2.10.229 version/11.62
> navigator.UserAgent lower case: -1
> getLink(): undefined
> getPlatform(): Windows
> getLanguage(): German
>
>
> window.location.href    http://www.openoffice.org/**
> download/test/analyze.html<http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/analyze.html>
> navigator.platform      Win32
> navigator.platform.**toLowerCase()        win32
> navigator.userAgent     Opera/9.80 (Windows NT 5.1; U; de) Presto/2.10.229
> Version/11.62
> navigator.userAgent.**toLowerCase()       opera/9.80 (windows nt 5.1; u;
> de) presto/2.10.229 version/11.62
> navigator.language      de
> navigator.userLanguage  de
> navigator.systemLanguage        undefined
> navigator.javaEnabled() Yes
>
>
OK -- well this is NOT good, but what kind of results do you get with Opera
for:

 http://www.openoffice.org/download/legacy/

same thing or ????

Despite the fact that Opera is supposed to be the most W3 compliant
browser, I know folks have had issues with it...


with Windows Internet Explorer 8
> ==============================**==
> Calling http://ooo-site.staging.**apache.org/download/test/**
> index_new_dl.html<http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html>
>
> All looks OK.
>
> Calling http://www.openoffice.org/**download/test/analyze.html<http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/analyze.html>
> results in
>
> navigator.platform: Win32
> navigator.UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1;
> Trident/4.0; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 3.0.4506.2152;
> .NET CLR 3.5.30729; InfoPath.2; BRI/2; .NET4.0C; .NET4.0E;
> OfficeLiveConnector.1.5; OfficeLivePatch.1.3; Microsoft.com Optimized IE8)
> navigator.UserAgent lower case: mozilla/4.0 (compatible; msie 7.0; windows
> nt 5.1; trident/4.0; .net clr 2.0.50727; .net clr 1.1.4322; .net clr
> 3.0.4506.2152; .net clr 3.5.30729; infopath.2; bri/2; .net4.0c; .net4.0e;
> officeliveconnector.1.5; officelivepatch.1.3; microsoft.com optimized ie8)
> navigator.UserAgent lower case: -1
> getLink(): undefined
> getPlatform(): Windows
> getLanguage(): German
>
>
>
> window.location.href  http://www.openoffice.org/**
> download/test/analyze.html<http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/analyze.html>
> navigator.platform  Win32
> navigator.platform.**toLowerCase()  win32
> navigator.userAgent  Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1;
> Trident/4.0; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 3.0.4506.2152;
> .NET CLR 3.5.30729; InfoPath.2; BRI/2; .NET4.0C; .NET4.0E;
> OfficeLiveConnector.1.5; OfficeLivePatch.1.3; Microsoft.com Optimized IE8)
> navigator.userAgent.**toLowerCase() mozilla/4.0 (compatible; msie 7.0;
> windows nt 5.1; trident/4.0; .net clr 2.0.50727; .net clr 1.1.4322; .net
> clr 3.0.4506.2152; .net clr 3.5.30729; infopath.2; bri/2; .net4.0c;
> .net4.0e; officeliveconnector.1.5; officelivepatch.1.3; microsoft.comoptimized ie8)
>
> navigator.language  undefined
> navigator.userLanguage  de
> navigator.systemLanguage de
> navigator.javaEnabled() Yes
>
> with Seamonkey 2.9
> ==================
>
> All looks OK.
> Calling http://www.openoffice.org/**download/test/analyze.html<http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/analyze.html>
> results in
>
> navigator.platform: Win32
> navigator.UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120422
> Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9
> navigator.UserAgent lower case: mozilla/5.0 (windows nt 5.1; rv:12.0)
> gecko/20120422 firefox/12.0 seamonkey/2.9
> navigator.UserAgent lower case: -1
> getLink(): undefined
> getPlatform(): Windows
> getLanguage(): German
>
>
>
> window.location.href    http://www.openoffice.org/**
> download/test/analyze.html<http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/analyze.html>
> navigator.platform      Win32
> navigator.platform.**toLowerCase()        win32
> navigator.userAgent     Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0)
> Gecko/20120422 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9
> navigator.userAgent.**toLowerCase()       mozilla/5.0 (windows nt 5.1;
> rv:12.0) gecko/20120422 firefox/12.0 seamonkey/2.9
>
> navigator.language      de-DE
> navigator.userLanguage  undefined
> navigator.systemLanguage        undefined
> navigator.javaEnabled() Yes
>
>
OK, thanks again. I did discover and correct a rather odd bug that was
affecting my simulated UA testing. Hopefully I can finish up with this
tomorrow if nothing else comes up.



-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MzK

"Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
 And life has a funny way of helping you out
 Helping you out."
                            -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette

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